Cloud means "On the Internet" Ever see a Network drawing? The cloud is what is used to denote the internet in symbols.
Christopher Fisk On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:59 PM, DSinc <[email protected]> wrote: > Anthony, > Fine. So just because other "technical" people use the term, it gains > credibility? > "Cloud" is a concept at best. Yes, it is available to those willing to be > research > test subjects. No harm, no foul. > I quit. "Cloud" is a server farm to me. > Best, > Duncan > > > On 03/31/2011 19:51, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: >> >> This point is that technical people, though who actually design and test >> this stuff, use the term. Further, the term is in wide use already.....just >> look around. Who cares if it is hardware or not. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:46 PM, DSinc<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Anthony, >>> Just because "research papers" use the new terminology "cloud storage" >>> does >>> not, to me, make "Cloud Storage" a real, main-stream term. >>> When the end of "research" outputs a "product" I may use this new term. >>> For now, we are all arguing about interesting planetary server farms. >>> >>> Sorry, I cook wieners at Bryan's camp fire this time. Ultimately your >>> "Cloud" theory >>> remains hardware based. Unless I have missed something, software can >>> never perform any promised benefit without agreed upon hardware, >>> connection >>> to the Internet, and, appropriate security protocols. >>> Should you lean Software, fine. >>> I lean Hardware. >>> Best, >>> Duncan >>> >>> >>> On 03/31/2011 19:21, Bryan Seitz wrote: >>>> >>>> Ok you win, cloud cloud cloud cloud cloud yay. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 05:04:46PM -0400, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Bryan, >>>>> >>>>> I'm surprised at you. You're attempting to bully people into using >>>>> YOUR >>>>> preferred terminology. But saying that use of terminology is not in >>>>> practice by those who are technical is total nonsense. Just look at >>>>> all >>>>> these research papers that use the term "cloud storage". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://xplorebcpaz.ieee.org/search/freesearchresult.jsp?newsearch=true&queryText=cloud+storage&x=0&y=0 >>>>> >>>>> On 3/31/2011 4:31 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I did not mean it as an attack, I was just saying this is a technical >>>>>> list and we all believe >>>>>> we are technical, so no reason to perpatuate bad nomenclature. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 04:00:44PM -0400, Brian Weeden wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the personal attack. It really lends credibility to your >>>>>>> argument. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> Brian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Bryan Seitz<[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good point but but on a technical list (And I assume you think >>>>>>>> you are >>>>>>>> technical), >>>>>>>> I would expect the buzzwords to be less frequent. Even if your data >>>>>>>> is on >>>>>>>> a server or >>>>>>>> a bunch of servers it could just as easily be called remote/online >>>>>>>> backup. >>>>>>>> The term Cloud >>>>>>>> is purely marketing bullshit at this poing. Products that have been >>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>> for ages started >>>>>>>> calling themselves cloud even though nothing had changed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ps. Actually Amazon is not scattered that much, usually local to a >>>>>>>> single >>>>>>>> datacenter and lucky >>>>>>>> if you have 3 copies, I worked there :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:59:52PM -0400, Brian Weeden wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The reason to use "cloud": is to convey that it is a service that >>>>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> tied >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to a specific machine or set of machines. Even if you use "online >>>>>>>>> server >>>>>>>>> storage" that still infers that a specific computer or cluster of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> computers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> somewhere has the data. And if that computer dies, the data is >>>>>>>>> gone. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The whole point with a cloud-based system is to separate the >>>>>>>>> service >>>>>>>>> (processing power, data storage, whatever) from the hardware. >>>>>>>>> Gmail is a >>>>>>>>> cloud-based service, and as a user you have no clue where the data >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> physically stored, where the processing is done, or how it gets to >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> in the case of a true cloud (like Google, Amazon, Rackspace, etc) >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> data >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> is likely scattered everywhere, across multiple >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> backbones/grids/continents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bryan G. Seitz >>>>>>>> >
