Bino,
Sorry this took a while. I've come to realize that I am a nuts&bolts
hardware person. I have learned to live with software (that remains
mysterious still to me!) because I require it to make my hardware do any
useful work for me, or, "improve my quality of life..?). Fine.
I accept and agree with your Para1.1 until I read, "..knee-jerk negative
reaction to the whole term and concept...". The final part of para1
reads to me as a marketing smack-down. Somehow because we NOW have
Virtualization, huge hard drives, and, a newer desire to backup all our
'stuff' do we now need some new concept/title for it. Odd. Fair Dinkum!
I suspect we can now have a spirited discussion with para1.2. Why? By
your share, all you give me is a redefinition of the World Wide Web. Do
you mean that Cloud = World Wide Web?
I wish to end this thread. I fully accept that much of this discussion
may be focused on the recent explosion of smart phones, kindles,
tablets, monster laptops, digital TV, whatever. Like Matrix come to pass.
I am willing to co-exist with all of the Virtualization business until
you begin to push/dictate/baseline me to a limited use of the very
technology that you now glibly proclaim requires some ordinal update.
Please allow me to remain questionable of your true goals.
Best,
Duncan
On 03/31/2011 21:57, Bino Gopal wrote:
Lol love watching the mini-flame war going back and forth. Couple points worth
considering I think:
I too cringe at the current marcom-speak about "the Cloud!"-the "To the Cloud"
MS commercials being the worst/egregious examples of this, and I think this engenders a knee-jerk
negative reaction to the whole term and concept from those of us who understand what's going on
underneath. Despite that:
I think there is a point to using the term cloud, and it does mean something more than
what "internet" does, and to say cloud=internet is missing a key point (which
was brought up, but not explicitly explicated in this discussion), which is that
cloud=compute+storage virtualization over the internet/a network.
Now this may seem obvious to folks here, but there is a real difference b/w
saying you have server X here with your data vs. well, I can't really tell you
where your data is-it's in bits and pieces all over a global infrastructure,
but due to software algorithms we can always reconstruct it and there's a lot
of redundancy and it's much harder to lose than when it was all in one place.
Or where your compute is being done-it's being farmed out based on demand/load
and you'll get as much as you pay for. This is a very big shift from the
traditional model of hardware being king, and it's the rise of virtualization
to the forefront which lets you separate the hardware from the use cases
(storage/compute) which what the end-user really cares about!
And as some of you may aware, Citrix NetScaler (where I work) is a pretty big
virtualization company, since all we do is virtualize apps, and now we're moving on
virutalizing lots more stuff (end-user PCs with client hypervisors and dekstops for
coporate users and even network equipment work loads) and my division is doing a lot of
cloud based stuff (we're doing cloud access for SAS apps, and cloud bridging b/w public
and private clouds) and working with all the big dotcoms and cloud providers to do this
(and even on Enterprise cloud initiatives) so there are some real use cases where the
term makes sense and has a material difference worth considering. It's just that it
literally is being conflated with "the internet" as many people have pointed
out, b/c it's the hot new buzzword, and the marcom folks are misappropriating it and
that's what's setting people off who know better...
JM2C tho; take it or leave it! ;)
BINO
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:33:24 -0400
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H] $1000 / yr for 1TB of Cloud?
The way it is used.
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On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:07 PM, DSinc<[email protected]> wrote:
Anthony,
Fine. Agree. What set of technologies portend renaming Internet to Cloud?
Best,
Duncan
On 03/31/2011 20:30, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
The tech behind the "cloud". Saying it's a marketing term is besides the point.
And its not just a marketing term, either, as it refers to a set of technologies that
accomplishes a certain thing. It not just the internet, either. The term was in use well
before people started trying to push it as they are now. Why the big deal over this
simple term? It's not as if any of us get to decide what terms get used.
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On Mar 31, 2011, at 8:20 PM, DSinc<[email protected]> wrote:
Anthony,
What "tech?" CLOUD is a marketing name. The INTERNET is already a
reality. OK. Don't like the term "Internet". Fine. Let's rename it "Cloud."
Fine.
Best,
Duncan
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