Don Stewart wrote,
catamorphism:
On 10/4/07, Don Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It was raised at CUFP today that while Python has:

    Python is a dynamic object-oriented programming language that can be
    used for many kinds of software development. It offers strong
    support for integration with other languages and tools, comes with
    extensive standard libraries, and can be learned in a few days. Many
    Python programmers report substantial productivity gains and feel
    the language encourages the development of higher quality, more
    maintainable code.

With the links from the start about using Python for various purposes,
along with reassuring text about licenses and so on.

Note its all about how it can help you.

The Haskell website has the rather strange motivational text:

    Haskell is a general purpose, purely functional programming language
    featuring static typing, higher order functions, polymorphism, type
    classes, and monadic effects. Haskell compilers are freely available
    for almost any computer.

Which doesn't say why these help you.

Any suggestions on a 2 or 3 sentence spiel about what's available?

Here's some quick points:

    General purpose: applications from OS kernels to compilers to web dev to ...
    Strong integration with other languages: FFI, and FFI binding tools
    Many developer tools: debugger, profiler, code coverage, QuickCheck
    Extensive libraries: central library repository, central repo hosting
    Productivity, robustness, maintainability: purity, type system, etc
    Parallelism!

Can't we embrace the power of 'and'? It's wonderful that Haskell is
seeing more practical use, but we shouldn't forget the foundations,
either. Maybe we should put your second description first, and *then*
have a paragraph saying, "and, for those who know what these are,
polymorphism, monadic effects, etc."? Only describing Haskell in terms
of software engineeering doesn't seem right to me.

Yes, I think that's the best step. Combine both why you'd use it, with
what unique features enable this.

I also agree that this is the right way to go.

FWIW, the CUFP talk that started this discussion took the current text out of context. It is one thing to have the fp-speak description of Haskell in isolation (as in the CUFP talk) and another to have it on the wiki front-page, where the side bar advertises libraries, applications, etc. and the middle has news items and so forth.

Manuel
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