Yes, the Cataloging Committee did recently review psefas/pesefas, but IIRC the decision was to maintain the status quo. I don’t recall what factors went into making that decision.
As for following Alcalay’s vocalization, I’m not sure how that’s helpful since he can be so inconsistent. Take the example of [psych], for which he has the following entries: Psikhah (for Psyche, myth.) Psikhoanaliṭi Psikhoanaliṭiḳai Psikho’analisah (-zah) Psikhogeni Psikhozah Psikhografah Psikhografyah Psikhoṭekhni Psikhonṭekhniḳah Psikholog Psikhologi BUT, the first exception with a sheva Pesikhologyah, followed by a bunch of different types of psychology, NONE of one which have a sheva under the peh: Psikhologyah geneṭit/hevdelit/ḥinukhit/le-ta’aśiyah/mashṿah/ and on, and on. THEN, another exception with a sheva Pesikhologizatsyah, followed by more entries with NO sheva: Psikhologism Psikhosomaṭi Psikhofisi Psikhofisikah Psikhopat Psikhopatologi Psikhopatologyah THEN, a final exception with a sheva Pesikhopati, followed by more entries with NO sheva: Psikhopatyah Psikhi Psikhi’aṭor Psikhi’aṭri, and the last, Psikhi’aṭriyah I cannot find any logic behind which words are vocalized and which are not, but it contradicts Heidi’s principle below that words based on a word with a sheva would also have a sheva. Nevertheless, Alcalay is consistent with his entries for [dram], which makes my question moot, if not food for thought… Deramah Deramaṭurg Dermaṭurgiyah Deramaṭizatsyah Deramati Deramatiyut (I didn’t see them till now, which is what prompted the original email. Apologies, Jasmin) From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn....@lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Joan Biella Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 7:11 PM To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] words starting with דרמ- The rule being followed here is the one that says Alcalay's vocalization determines the romanization of words with ambiguous initial shevas. If his dictionary prints the sheva, we romanize it as "e." This rule was laid down for the benefit of catalogers who don't have access to spoken Hebrew sources, and ensures a standard romanization for everyone. Perhaps it is time to reconsider this rule, as some catalogers in some circumstances certainly find it annoying. The recent exchange about psefas/pesefas dealt with the same issue. Should this be discussed seriously by the cataloging committee? Joan On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Neil Manel Frau-Cortes <nf...@umd.edu<mailto:nf...@umd.edu>> wrote: No offense, but have you ever tried to explain the crazy "deramah" exception to somebody who is not a Hebrew cataloger? Whoever has the power could just have eliminated the exception instead of adding to it. All linguistic systems tend to regularization<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regularization_(linguistics)>. In any codification system, the more exceptions you add to rules, the less effective the code is. שבת שלום ומעדים לשמחה Neil On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Heidi G Lerner <ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>> wrote: I would certainly think so. I can't think why not. The wod, while not of themselves completely foreign words: they are based on one. Just my thoughts. Best, Heidi Heidi G. Lerner Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Metadata Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953<tel:650-725-9953> fax: 650-725-1120<tel:650-725-1120> e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu> ________________________________ From: Shinohara, Jasmin <jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu<mailto:jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:13 PM To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel Cc: Heidi G Lerner Subject: words starting with דרמ- HCM2 clearly states דרמה as exception to vocalization of foreign loan words (“first sheṿa in a foreign loan word with an initial consonantal cluster is generally treated as a sheṿa naḥ…” cf. p. 19). Do other words starting with that “root” follow that same exception, e.g. דרמטורגיה, דרמטי, דרמטיזציה, etc.? Thank, Jasmin --- Jasmin Shinohara Hebraica Cataloging Librarian University of Pennsylvania Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center 3420 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206 T. 215-746-6397<tel:215-746-6397> F. 215-573-9610<tel:215-573-9610> jsh...@upenn.edu<mailto:jsh...@upenn.edu> _______________________________________________ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco -- Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D. Judaica, Hebraica and Metadata Cataloger McKeldin Library University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 Phone (301) 405-9337<tel:%28301%29%20405-9337> nf...@umd.edu<http://nf...@umd.edu> _______________________________________________ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
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