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So יאו is ‘yo’ (“injenYOzo”, “RomeYO”, “edisYOn”)? Should it not then be “ṿerśYon”? (and should this kelal be added to the chart?) For other letters, though, how can I know just based on the Romanization table, when אי is ‘i’ (as in “Injenyozo”) and when it’s ‘e’ (as in “ḳompuʾEśṭo”)? In the case of names, I can determine a י (yod) based on found Romanization (e.g. “ḲIshoṭe” and not “ḲEshoṭe”, “PIlar” and not “PElar”, etc.), but what about other words (e.g., “aljamIadah” and not (“aljamEadah”)? Also, when do I add the aleph diacritic (“ḳompuʾeśṭo”, “Śaʾaṿedrah”), and when not (“aljamiadah”)? And when is a ו (vav) a ‘u’ and when an ‘o’ (“ḳOmpUʾeśṭO”, “ḳapiṭUlOs”)? Or is my only hope to consult a Spanish speaker for the vowels? (They couldn’t advise on the diactric, though.) Lisa Rohde (at JTS) emailed me directly; I will forward her response and my follow-up questions separately so as to avoid an overly lengthy email… From: Heb-naco [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:58 AM To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Ladino romanization help Dear Jasmin, Here is the romanization that I come up with based on the ALA/LC Romanization table: El injenyozo Hidalgo Don Ḳishoṭe de lah Manjah :ǂbḳapiṭulos 1-8 /ǂcḳompuʾeśṭo por Migel de Servanṭes Śaʾaṿedrah : ṿerśion aljamiadah por Pilar Romeyo-Fero śegun lah primerah edisyon de Madrid de Juan deh lah Ḳuesṭah (1605). .Best, Heidi Heidi G. Lerner Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Metadata Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ________________________________ From: Heb-naco <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Shinohara, Jasmin <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:26 AM To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [Heb-NACO] Ladino romanization help Hi, I’m struggling to understand the vowel Romanization for Ladino: when does an א simply get transcribed as an ‘a’ and when with a diacritical aleph; when there’s no vocalization, how does one know when the ו (vav) is an ‘o’ or a ‘u’? Is an אי always ‘e’, or sometimes ‘i’, depending on the context? The same for a י (yod) -- when there’s no vocalization, how does one know when it’s an ‘e’ and when it’s an ‘i’? For those of us who don’t know Spanish, it’s rather a toss-up. The case I have in hand is איל אינג'יניאוזו הידלגו דון קיש'וטי די לה מאנג'ה : ǂb (קאפיטולוש. 1-8) / ǂc קומפואישטו פור מיגיל די סירב'אנטיש שאאוידרה ; וירשיאון אלג'אמיאדה פור פילאר רומיאו-פ'ירי, שיגון לה פרימירה אידיסיאון די מאדריד די ג'ואן די לה קואישטה (1605) Though there’s no vocalization on the ש’s, given the context I know they’re meant to be ‘sin’ (other than in קיש'וטי) ; but otherwise, do I go for consistency when Romanizing the vavs and yods, or, especially in the case of names, transcribe what makes sense? This is my current stab at it: El enjene’ozo hidalgo Don Ḳeshoṭe de lah Manjah : ǂb (ḳapitoloś. 1-8) / ǂc ḳompo’eśṭo por Megel de Servanṭeś Śa’aṿedrah ; ṿerśe’on aljameadah por Pelar Romeo-Fere, śegon lah premerah edeseon de Madrid de Joan de lah Ḳoeśṭah (1605). But in this case I’ve got an added t.p. in Spanish: El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha : ǂb (capítulos 1-8) / ǂc compuesto por Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra ; versión aljamiada por Pilar Romeu Ferré según la primera edición de Madrid de Juan de la Cuesta (1605). Based on the Spanish I’m second-guessing some the romanized words: 1. Should it be enjene’ozo or injeneozo? Or injene’ozo? Or injeni’ozo? 2. Is it Ḳeshoṭe or Ḳishoṭe? 3. ḳapitoloś. or ḳapituloś. (the full stop appears on the source) 4. ḳompo’eśṭo or ḳompueśṭo? Or ḳompu’eśṭo? 5. Megel or Migel? 6. Śa’aṿedrah or Śaaṿedrah? 7. ṿerśe'on or ṿerśion? Or ṿerśi’on? 8. aljameadah or aljamiadah? Or aljami’adah? 9. Pelar or Pilar? 10. Romeo or Romeu? Or Rome’u? 11. śegon or śegun? 12. premerah or primerah? 13. edeseon or edision? Or edisi’on? 14. Jo’an or Juan? Or Ju’an? 15. Ḳo’eśṭah or Ḳueśṭah? Or Ḳu’eśṭah? Please advise. Thanks!! Jasmin --- Jasmin Shinohara Hebraica Cataloging Librarian University of Pennsylvania Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center 3420 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206 T. 215-746-6397 F. 215-573-9610 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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