I definately agree with your approach. We have looked at indigenous village living and some of the models of intentional community and we feel that each "clan" as we like to call it should be independent and while community issues will be present...each family is independent. Great post!
The folding models would be a great way for us to increase our housing capacity for things like weekend training classes or work events. Our community and your design has some huge implications for things like poverty and homelessness in the US. I appreciate the work you and others have done with this idea! On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Vinay Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow, that's fantastic! The folding units, particularly - Thermax HD rather > than plywood for those I'd *imagine* or maybe some other panel material - > ought to be very easy for zoning folks to tolerate. > "See? Folded up and gone kthxbye." > > And, yes yes yes on all the off-the-grid stuff. There are deep reasons for > doing it that way. I've got a bunch of theory on that - actually written > more for survivalists than for communards - which addresses the benefits of > those kinds of systems over more conventional resource sharing systems. > > http://vinay.howtolivewiki.com/blog/hexayurt/survival-planning-548 > > May or may not be remotely relevant to your situation over there, but it's > a logical extension of how things work when you have solar etc. and with all > this Hexayurt City talk, the social models are going to come into play > eventually! > > Vinay > > -- > Vinay Gupta > Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest > > http://hexayurt.com - free/open next generation human sheltering > http://hexayurt.com/plan - the whole systems, big picture vision > > Gizmo Project VOIP : (USA) 775-743-1851 > Skype/Gizmo/Gtalk : hexayurt > Icelandic Cell : (+354) 869-4605 > > "If it doesn't fit, force it." > > On Oct 3, 2008, at 11:27 PM, LaRahna wrote: > > I am going to incorporate the hexayurt into our november event write-up and > i'll make sure to forward it to you. if there are any hexayurt fans nearby > (or who want to visit for the event), i'ld love to give them an opportunity! > Also the phase 1 of our intentional community will be almost like a park > with pads (similar to tent platforms) but because we want to make thezoning > people happy ( :) ) we are calling it park and park pads (not campground and > tent sites) and it would work so well with the hexayurt construction. Over > the past few weeks since finding your sites..I was particularly interested > in teh units being used in 3rd world countries what can incorporate simple > water/power sources. Our site will be using composting toilets as a > standard...and a simple water/wastewater and solar hookup.......tadah!...So > if there are enthusiasts...looking for test sites.....heck we got 30 > acres...hex away! > > :) > > have a great weekend and live life fully today! > LaRahna > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Vinay Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> <grin> >> >> Hey, air force or not, I'll take all the field testing I can get :-) >> >> Just, if folks are asking, things that an AFB might be interested in >> helping out with are going on and that might help you get some dedicated >> testing resources. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1GjymP3MUc (crack Germans from a year or >> two ago.) >> >> Sorry, I just laugh. I'm such a hippie and, like, half of my good hexayurt >> clips are folks in uniform. >> >> C'mon Burners, where's the pix and the video footage - I know you took >> pictures of your beautiful yurts going up! >> >> Vinay >> >> >> -- >> Vinay Gupta >> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >> >> http://hexayurt.com - free/open next generation human sheltering >> http://hexayurt.com/plan - the whole systems, big picture vision >> >> Gizmo Project VOIP : (USA) 775-743-1851 >> Skype/Gizmo/Gtalk : hexayurt >> Icelandic Cell : (+354) 869-4605 >> >> "If it doesn't fit, force it." >> >> On Oct 3, 2008, at 11:05 PM, LaRahna wrote: >> >> I need to look into that. I am near Robins Air Force Base in central >> Georgia. Our area is heavy on engineers. I wonder if i could get some action >> for field testing. Our intentional comunity will be about 20 miles from the >> base and we have 30 acres waiting for hexyurts!!!!! >> >> I'll do some looking into that this weekend. Thanks for the info! >> >> I am adding you to my "best friend for today" list! >> LaRahna >> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vinay Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On the video - yeah, I just need to check with them that they're OK with >>> public upload and what the license is. Sometimes when you're shooting video >>> on a project people are casually discussing their sex lives or whatever and >>> you don't want that raw footage uploaded, or they want it Creative Commons >>> and I'd upload Public Domain by default. >>> >>> Just, you know, always polite to check. >>> >>> On the military end, welllll...now, yes, there's a story there. >>> >>> http://star-tides.net - Hexayurts and other appropriate technology stuff >>> at the Pentagon in about 10 days. If your AFB buddies want to get course >>> credit, there are some people involved in this from National Defense >>> University who want to arrange field tests, and I believe an AF group in >>> Colorado Springs also wants to do serious field tests later this year. >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/tidesbart/StarTidesDemos >>> >>> pix here. >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hexayurt+pentagon&aq=f >>> >>> video there. >>> >>> So, yeah, for some reason, the military loves Hexayurts, and if you've >>> got military folks who'd like to talk to other military folks about >>> hexayurty things there's mailing lists and so on, and some upcoming events. >>> It's all fab-and-groovy open source stuff too, and very nice people. >>> >>> I know that might surprise some people, and at times it's surprised me, >>> but it's a very mixed bag, the DoD. I only deal with the folks who're >>> interested in putting time into this kind of relief work and that's a strong >>> filter. >>> >>> Vinay >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Vinay Gupta >>> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >>> >>> http://hexayurt.com - free/open next generation human sheltering >>> http://hexayurt.com/plan - the whole systems, big picture vision >>> >>> Gizmo Project VOIP : (USA) 775-743-1851 >>> Skype/Gizmo/Gtalk : hexayurt >>> Icelandic Cell : (+354) 869-4605 >>> >>> "If it doesn't fit, force it." >>> >>> On Oct 3, 2008, at 10:55 PM, LaRahna wrote: >>> >>> Awesome!!! I live in a community near an AFB and we are loaded with >>> engineers which was what I was just discussing with an associate...To get >>> the plans to a volunteer team of engineers and have them onsite for the >>> build to advise and assist.Please let me know if you get clearance to put >>> the videos out. All help will be appreciated. I live in Georgia and we don't >>> get much snow, but the design and load considerations are still important! >>> >>> I will keep you posted on the progress. I just got email confirmation >>> from all but one of our board members to incorporate the hexyurt into the >>> project! Yay! >>> >>> Thanks again for your quick response and any...(pronounced ANY) info you >>> might think helpful send it my way! >>> >>> Live life fully today! >>> LaRahna Hughes >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Vinay Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi! Yes, please let me know whatever I can do to help with all of this. >>>> Please feel free to use the term Hexayurt to refer to hexayurts - I >>>> don't know what else you'd call them. >>>> >>>> On the OSB hexayurt, two things. >>>> >>>> 1> I've got a pile of video that Marcin's team uploaded, and as soon as >>>> I know whether it's public domain / ready for release I'll post it online, >>>> but they're off the internet for a few days so I can't ask them. >>>> >>>> 2> For things that might fall on people and squash them, get your own >>>> engineers or builders to really seriously think it through and make sure >>>> it's alright. >>>> >>>> Because a 240 lbs plywood roof with 1600 lbs of snow on it is a real >>>> hazard unless it stays up and I'm not a structural engineer. Your builders >>>> need to take responsibility for their structures because every climate is >>>> different and snow, particularly, is very very heavy. >>>> >>>> I'm willing to bet that when shown the design and eventually the video, >>>> a lot of people will figure out together what the structural limits of the >>>> hexayurt in plywood are, but until we've got a good consensus from builders >>>> and engineers, it's going to be a case-by-case basis for people, depending >>>> on climate and judgement and their own access to engineering expertise. >>>> >>>> The big issue is clearly snow. I'm fairly sure that a plywood hexayurt >>>> with good fastenings is going to be more or less invulnerable to wind >>>> excepting tornados and hurricanes, but snow is just *so* heavy when you get >>>> a big fall. As mentioned before, the pentayurt is better for snow because >>>> the roof angle will tend to make the snow fall off it more easily, but >>>> there's a whole art of making roofs work in huge snow areas - lots of >>>> different approaches, lots of regional variation. >>>> >>>> Now is the time for real engineering but, in the mean time, get your >>>> builders to take a look. >>>> >>>> Vinay >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Vinay Gupta >>>> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >>>> >>>> http://hexayurt.com - free/open next generation human sheltering >>>> http://hexayurt.com/plan - the whole systems, big picture vision >>>> >>>> Gizmo Project VOIP : (USA) 775-743-1851 >>>> Skype/Gizmo/Gtalk : hexayurt >>>> Icelandic Cell : (+354) 869-4605 >>>> >>>> "If it doesn't fit, force it." >>>> >>>> On Oct 3, 2008, at 10:16 PM, LaRahna wrote: >>>> >>>> Vinya, >>>> I've been following the emails for a short while and I am very >>>> interested in the hexayurt. I am working on 2 projects. 1 - we have been >>>> planning to have a "tent in" to raise awareness about our homelessness >>>> issue >>>> in my community and state. After reading about the OSB designed >>>> hexayurt....I thought it would be an excellent opportunity to bring >>>> together >>>> a team to "test" build an OSB yurt in conjunction with this tent-in event. >>>> >>>> Also I am working on an off the grid sustainable community here >>>> regionally and we are looking for phase 1 structures for the first few >>>> months until we are able to produce our own straw for straw bale >>>> structures...AGAIN, the OSB yurt looks like an option that definately fits >>>> into our core values (cost-effective, low tech, etc...) >>>> >>>> Are there any detailed plans for the OSB models? Or has anyone done any >>>> detailed notes that we could convert to plans...(like with measurements, >>>> and >>>> techniques used)? I read the overview page and it didn't give definate >>>> dimensions, etc... >>>> >>>> Let me know if the informaiton exists and if we would be able to use the >>>> "hexayurt" name (and reference your website pages) for this upcoming event >>>> (we are shooting for November)? >>>> >>>> I can be reached of course by email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone at >>>> 678.749.2707. >>>> >>>> Live life fully today! >>>> LaRahna Hughes >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Vinay Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> *The New Mandate: Tent Cities -> Hexayurt >>>>> Cities***<http://vinay.howtolivewiki.com/blog/hexayurt/the-new-mandate-tent-cities-hexayurt-cities-982> >>>>> >>>>> *The Hexayurt* <http://hexayurt.com/> can be made in *plywood for $132 >>>>> * <http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=340> plus paint for a long-life, >>>>> durable dwelling, or a *rapid deployment >>>>> unit*<http://files.howtolivewiki.com/folding_hexayurt/folding_hexayurt.html>using >>>>> folding components can be made. >>>>> >>>>> There is no reason that we cannot provide acceptable housing to people >>>>> unlucky enough to wind up in tent cities. These shelters can be cheaper >>>>> than >>>>> tents, for a much higher quality of life. Please pass this idea on, >>>>> circulate it, spread it around, and let's get some solutions here. >>>>> >>>>> Everybody deserves a place to live. Let's do the best we can. >>>>> >>>>> *http://hexayurt.com* <http://hexayurt.com/> >>>>> *http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=340*<http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=340> >>>>> *http://files.howtolivewiki.com/folding_hexayurt/folding_hexayurt.html >>>>> *<http://files.howtolivewiki.com/folding_hexayurt/folding_hexayurt.html> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Vinay Gupta >>>>> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >>>>> >>>>> http://hexayurt.com - free/open next generation human sheltering >>>>> http://hexayurt.com/plan - the whole systems, big picture vision >>>>> >>>>> Gizmo Project VOIP : (USA) 775-743-1851 >>>>> Skype/Gizmo/Gtalk : hexayurt >>>>> Icelandic Cell : (+354) 869-4605 >>>>> >>>>> "If it doesn't fit, force it." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Live life fully today! >>>> LaRahna >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Live life fully today! >>> LaRahna >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Live life fully today! >> LaRahna >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Live life fully today! > LaRahna > > > > > > > > -- Live life fully today! 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