Hi Matt,

I don't remember Daniel Wolverson's discussion - I'm glad to see it now...

I actually only remembered it because I just authored an article with Balázs Nagy on the tekerő that we submitted to a journal and I wanted to cite some information on the buzzing bridge's physics that Frank Vickers had passed on from his own discussions with Wolverson. The bits I needed happened to be in the same location as that response from Wolverson, so I knew right where they were from having seen them last week.

I feel as if I've tested this idea - I "fixed" the chien by simply holding it down to keep it from buzzing and continuing to crank as if I was attempting to buzz... no drop in pitch. Anyway, doesn't his test condition describe the permanent condition of all the other non-buzzing strings?

That's what I thought, but I passed on his message in toto in case there was something useful. However, I have noticed that on my gros bourdon, if there is too much pressure on the wheel, does exhibit the effect Wolverson described.

This is more interesting! It's true, this is an effect that harmonica players use (I've never been able to bent pitch *up* on a harmonica!). But in this case we're not talking about two similarly tuned reeds vibrating simultaneously, nor are we talking about two separate bowed strings resting on the same bridge. Do you suppose the same effect applies with only one string on the bridge, and that being bowed on only one side of the bridge?

I don't know much about this, but I think that it ought to be testable if one can figure out how to put mass on the other side of the bridge without making it so that the bridge doesn't buzz.

In reading your original post where you describe the problems and what is going on, and the responses, I have a few other things that might be worth trying:

Regarding the drone strings that break into high harmonics, this sounds like a problem I had. The solution was replacing the strings with a different kind of string that was not as stiff:

Here are some things to consider:

1. Is the string you are using too heavy or stiff? On my tekerő I had a HEAVY and STIFF gut bass drone that had the problems you described. Replacing it with a lighter gut-core, copper-wrapped string (made by Balázs Nagy) took care of the problem totally. A string that is too stiff will want to vibrate at a higher pitch than one that is not as stiff because the displacement along the string is smaller if the string is vibrating at the harmonic than at the fundamental. Tightening the string can take care of the problem, but loosening it results in a very poor sound.

2. Are you using enough rosin? Insufficient rosin can do what you describe. You are an experienced player, so I don't think this is the issue, but it's worth asking.

3. Are you using too hard a rosin? I know everyone else is telling you to move to a harder rosin, but your rosin has to be tacky enough to really pull the heavy drone strings. Think of the difference between bass rosin and violin rosin: what is ideal for your chanterelles is harder than what is ideal for your low drones. You may need to go to a rosin that is softer than what is ideal for the melody strings in order to meet the demands of your drones.


Regarding the dog that drops in pitch, have you replaced the dog at all? I think that the people pointing to changes in weather may be on to something. Even inside my house I detect a lot of seasonal wood movement and have noticed real effects on a number of my instruments. Note that Neil's attribution to high heat and low humidity can just as likely be the other way around: it all depends on what the instrument is stable at. Changes either way can create problems. You may find that you need different dogs for different seasons.


I don't know how helpful any of this is, but I think you can probably take care of the drones by trying different strings and you then have only one problem to deal with...

-Arle

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