The "Celtic" label is not a Roman "red Indian" misnomer but a historical and
archeological label to describe a large group of tribes that had similar
language, culture and religous aspects. Nor did the Romans did not label all
tribes as "Celtic" without distinction. Romans distinguished between many
different Celtic tribes. Futhermore, these tribes were not "free roaming."
How can you conquer people if you don't know who lives where? So actually,
it's fairly easy to learn who went where and even why. How all of this is
reflected musically is much harder to say but since some similarities did
exist in other aspects of Celtic culture across Europe, perhaps they did
exist in music as well.
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From: "Colin Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [HG] My page about Asturias and Galicia
Without wishing to get too involved in this (being Welsh and therefore
part
of the "accepted" Celtic groups of Ireland (N&S), Wales, Isle of Man,
Cornwall and Brittany ) - the areas to which they retreated, one has to
decide if, for Instance, the Romans were THAT particular in giving the
label
"Celtic" to other European groups. We have similar problems with "Eskimo"
and "Red Indians" today which actually take in several cultural and ethnic
groups without distinction. Trying to work backwards to see who was where
and when is always difficult and often impossible once mankind decided to
travel across the globe. Trying to work out what music they played is
impossible.
There's also the problem that tribes would cross-pollinate and take part
of
their culture with them.
Look at the various religious books to see how much is shared. The flood
comes from the Epic of Gilgamesh (over 1000 years before the Bible) but,
of
course, it's part of the culture of Abraham so maybe he took it with him?
"Celtic music" is a misnomer anyway as many of the above areas have very
distinctive sounds particular to their area only.
True, it sounds good and looks good on a record label but I doubt it
actually means anything at all.
I'm sure that some Celtic tribes lived almost everywhere in Europe during
their travels (although maybe not as the main cultural group).
We'll never dig up enough evidence to know for sure.
Maybe we should just drop the labels or maybe just add "style" as in
"Celtic-style music".
I think we can put too much emphasis on this and it's in danger of
becoming
Swift's "big end or little end" of the egg debate.
Colin Hill
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From: "Jocelyn Demuth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [HG] My page about Asturias and Galicia
It was my understanding that Celtic people did live in Spain. All the
Roman
history I have read refers to different Celtic Tribes in Spain. They are
not the same tribes that lived in France and Britain but all the Celts
shared certain common aspects of culture.
----- Original Message -----
From: ivan ad
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [HG] My page about Asturias and Galicia
Sorry,
i think i don't write very well (my english is very poor!!!)
i wanted to say that the celtic mith was created by some writers
on XIX century, and now, a lot of bands use this label to sell
his music...
its true...
but i tryed to say is that i think the celtic is a label with no
sciencific support, because at least in Galicia, there is no
evidence to say the celtic people come here in the past...
although some people defend this theory...
maybe in other "Celtic Countries" its possible to
find any evidence.. i don't know the irish, british, history...
----- Mensaje original ----
De: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Para: [email protected]
Enviado: viernes, 24 de agosto, 2007 1:01:04
Asunto: Re: [HG] My page about Asturias and Galicia
In a message dated 8/23/07 5:14:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello,
the celtic is a label that some galician people of the XIX's end
cought to his own "benefit"...
it's true that we have some similar thinks with the "celtic" countries,
but scientifically there is no evidence of this conections...
but talking about music, the irish music, france..., made music routes
around the
world, and commercially this label is good for galician and asturias
music...
Hello Ivan,
Now that I am back at my computer....
I did not give the music of Asturias and Galicia the "Celtic" label. It
was from reading descriptions on most of the musicians' web sites that
they
describe themselves as playing "Celtic" music.
Jake
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