Matthias, that is so freaking amazing, thank you... I guess I will try that on my HG when I get it in a couple of months... I always loved the sound of just temperament, but never knew how to compromise between equal and just.... Thank you!
Augusto On Dec 12, 2007 8:42 PM, Matthias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > EK> I agree with Neil that, when tuning strings of a hg pure to each other > in a > EK> noisy environment, an electronic tuner (build in or used with a > contact > EK> microphon) can be a great help and may give better results than > tuning by > EK> ear beause of the noise. That works if you have learned the properties > of > EK> your tuner by tuning by ear and see what your tuner does. I know that > I get > EK> a pure fifth with my simple tuner exactly at the point where it doubts > EK> between pure( green led) or too high (right red led). > > I agree. Knowing your tuner is the same as having an expensive one. > There are some cheaper tuners which show cents. A very simple and good > thing to know is that a pure fifth is "welltempered + 2 cents" and a > pure major third "well tempered - 14 cents". So a pure d in a C scale > would be +4 (C,G+2,D+4), F is -2, therefore a pure A is -16 a pure B > -12 and so on. > > EK> Forget Kirnberger, Valotti, mean tone temperament and other baroque > tunings: > EK> they have been conceived for harmony, for changing chords and changing > EK> tonalities, not for drone music. They make as little sense for a hg > as > EK> equal temperament. > > partly agreed. A lot of baroque tunings make no sense on a modern hg. > But they are all compromises between a "beautiful" just temperament > and other tunings, eg. just temperaments in other keys. And this we > can find also on the hg as soon as one plays not only in C but also in > G (first thing when you play just C tuning in a piece in G you will > realize your A is too low). So compromises are already needed here. I > found Kirnberger II (which is the only tuning from this time that uses > just fifths) especially useful for baroque tuning (keys from > C,G,D,A,Ab,Eb,Bb and c and g minor). > > For my modern instrument I use a personal solution with some notes in > just temperament, some in well tempered but as well the "-5 cent A" from > Kirnberger II (that is high enough to be played in a chromatic context > and low enough to have a more beautiful characteristic in C). > > Matthias > > > ps: kirnberger II > > C 0.0 > Db -9.8 > D 3.9 > Eb -5.9 > E -13.7 > F -2.0 > F# -9.8 > G 2.0 > Ab -7.8 > A -4.9 > Bb -3.9 > H -11.7 > > > > > EK> And yes, Neil, you are almost right: this natural harmonic tuning > makes > EK> things worse, or even terrible, with different drones, generally. But > it > EK> works (almost) perfectly if only two drones a fifth or a fourth apart > are > EK> used, for instance only G and c or only G and d. Details and > explanations > EK> can be found in my article on tuning the tangents: > EK> http://www.orfeo-fiato.nl/hurdy_gurdy_tuning.html > > EK> Tuning your hg in something like natural harmonic temperament may > conflict > EK> or not with other players/singers. If you are really playing drone > music, > EK> there should not be a conflict. But, for instance, playing with a > melodion > EK> or a guitar, the conflicts are already intrinsic to the combination of > a > EK> drone and a harmony instrument; so, why not give it a try in such a > case as > EK> well? > > EK> Ernic > >
