I think we must also acknowledge that, whilst we thought 78s were fantastic and 33 1/3 and 45s marvellous in the days of vinyl, the CD has brought a new understanding of what sound can be. We accepted the old records (with all the scratchy sounds etc because it was the best available. The same can be said of special effects in films (anyone watched the original Flash Gordon films?). I thought they were state of the art back in the 50's when I saw them (although I do have them all on DVD now). Regardless of how instruments sounded at the time, there wasn't the choice. You either liked what you heard or you didn't. We may say NOW that the sound was (or may have been) harsh to our ears but I doubt the comparison could have been made then. On the other hand, they may have had some way of making them sound perfect and we have lost the method. Because we just don't know, it seems fair enough to make instruments as best we can today without speculating what a similar instrument may, or may not, have sounded like many years ago.
Colin Hill
----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Wascher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: [HG] on making simple hurdy gurdies


Hello,

my two cents:

the making

In the times when symphonies and organistrums were state of art in music - the organistrum players preside the musicans of the Pórtico de la Gloria - wood was the central cultural techinque. Craftmensship was enourmous, in wood and in all others of natures materials. Just look at the cathedral in Santiago as a whole. Ther was a higher general knowledge on woods and woodwork than today, and the level of skills were *at least* compareable to today for at least some specialized individuals conected with the courts. The same applies to craftmanship in woodworking tools. Where we miss certain tools we today think are inevitable they simply had other methods to achive the same or a better effect. Much of these ancient expertise is lost today. We simply do not know as much as they did.

This musical instruments were not the primitive ancestry of todays, they were top of the pops. Medieval hurdy-gurdies had their place at the court, surrounded by cathedals, silken gold woven purple cloth, perotinus, and people who were specialized in ilumination of codices - things we can't afford to make today.

The peasants strain of gurdyism came later - or at least there is no evidence for it in this period. And even thouse later instruments were madye by people who were very skilled in wood. Much more than any do-it-yourself person of today ever will be.

Simplicity is a quality as long as its high quality materials and craftmanship come together to a simple solution. Most do-it-yourself efforts in hurdygurdy today kits or selfmade lack both. This is because most Europeans and North Americans of today do not grow up with wood and woodworking as first cultural techniques, cant sharpen a knive, cant split a block of wood into a plank, cant make a simple chipwood box - and how can you dream of making a simple hurdy gurdy if you cannot make a chipwood box of similar dimensions (which is made without a saw)?

the sound

We do not know about the sound of any music before about 1900. And even then we do not know the effect the music had to listeners now dead. We can try as hard as we like to put us as musicans back into the circumstances of earlier times. Live in an Medieval castle without modern medical or other facilities. We might then be able (not for sure) to produce music as it was. But the listeners never ever will undergo the same treatment and therfore will not hear this music right. All we can do is finding out about the spirit in which a music was intended and translate to the modern audiences language. And therefore we need to play instruments which give the same feeling to a modern listener as the old instruments did to the former. This is not a just copy. Its a translation. But the just copy might be very educational to the maker and player - and maybe no good for public performance.

sorry for the plain words.

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