Your simply naive if you do not believe Apple keeps their prices inflated. The computers themselves are not that much more expensive when mass produced, the difference is the name.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Avatar-X" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > what was the point of this little rant of yours? everything you mention > is also possible on the PC... the PC manufacturers simply don't force > you to use it. > > besides, any idiot with a stopwatch can see that a lower-end PC runs > faster than a brand new high-end mac, sure maybe their processers can > do a lot of gigaflops but they sure don't use them wisely. > > -av > > Aaron Kalin wrote: > > >Cocoa and Darwin... OSX is a great OS and I would love to see a PC port as > >it is UNIX based, the Window system is a openGL rendering, not a GDI > >rendering (direct draw) which puts less strain on the processor for desktop > >rendering and allows for some sleeker graphics. Windows XP tried to do this > >but didd'nt quite make it. > > > >Yes you CAN do things on a Mac that are normally done on a PC, the meulators > >for windows work fine, I have been able to run HL and other games on it just > >fine along with my other essential software. No, Apple doesnt price gouge, > >actually the higher prices comes from their choice of product, they went > >higher end with this such as firewire which was invented before USB however > >the expense of it quickly made USB catch in the PC world, yet it never was > >anywhere close to the speed of firewire and is still today the method of > >choice for all DV editors today. Don't forget they went straight into SCSI > >instead of the cheaper PC EIDE drives. Also the mac's g4 processor runs ont > >he new RISC archetecture which no Intel or AMD has been able to match (yet, > >look @ the clawhammer) The dual G4 pumps out a whopping 16 gigaFLOPS > >(Floating Point Operations Per Second) versus the dual AMD or Intel's 6 or > >7. Coupled with the better flat panel monitor technology and better sense > >on the higher end of the industry Apple suprisngly made the best choice for > >OSX, as the Server OS is quite powerful and is able to run any UNIX > >installed software I choose so running and maintaining the server is a > >breeze, I would love to see a Windows server try to outrun it. > > > >One other thing, this was a HLCoders list, not a mac and PC pissing contest, > >get back to HL kthx =p > > > >-iggy > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chris Foss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:29 AM > >Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC > > > > > > > > > >>bah, I have nothing better to do. > >> > >>Macs are good at what they do: drool proof systems, graphics design, and > >>matching the curtains. > >> > >>PCs are true general purpose machines. anything you can do with a mac you > >>can do with a PC, the inverse is not true. > >> > >>on Ooperating systems: > >>Linux does what it does well (server, file recovery, being 1337, being > >>stable.) > >> > >>Windows is good with games, but is rather buggy for a 100%, mission > >>critical, 'net connected server. > >> > >>Mac OS is good at looking pretty, and with BSD, you can actualy do stuff. > >> > >>An apple salesperson showed off a dual g4 box with osX (before it came out > >>to the masses). I was like: yeah, but does it have a command line. he > >> > >> > >popped > > > > > >>open a term, and said: it has all of the basic *nix commands, but they're > >> > >> > >in > > > > > >>slightly diferent locations. > >> > >>macOS is promising, let's put it that way. (there have been successes in > >>making an Xfree compatibility layer with osX, meaning X programs can run > >> > >> > >on > > > > > >>aqua or cocoa or whatever it's called.) > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Daniel Koppes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM > >>Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>I'll stick with PC + Windows 2000... its pretty much 100% stable.... > >>>*hides from the Linux fanboys* > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>For sure, lol. > >>>> > >>>>I love Mac design !!! > >>>>I dream of a mix-computer mac hardware + x86 software > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>On 10 Oct 2002 at 23:46, Daniel Koppes wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Um. Please tell me you're kidding. Please.... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Ok....so it's a fruit ^^ > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I often eat apple-pies, can I eat PC-pies too ? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>On 10 Oct 2002 at 22:31, Philip (Fiber) wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Uh oh. See www.apple.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>_________________________ > >>>>>>>Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>elephants > >> > >> > >>>>have > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- > >>>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bob le Pointu > >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:10 PM > >>>>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>Subject: RE: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>What is a mac ? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>(;>) > >>>>>>>>On 10 Oct 2002 at 19:29, Philip (Fiber) wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Some love them and some hate them. I personally have never > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>seen a > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>program crash on a mac, but everybody has seen different > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>things so > >> > >> > >>>>>>>you > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>live with what you want and be happy with it and I'll do the > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>same. > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>_________________________ > >>>>>>>>>Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>elephants > >> > >> > >>>>>>>have > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>[mailto:hlcoders- > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X > >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:51 PM > >>>>>>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Mac VS PC > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>-- > >>>>>>>>>>[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >>>>>>>>>>Yes, it's available on mac, but it really really sucks on > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>the > >> > >> > >>>>mac. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>it's > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>slow, it's buggy, it crashes a lot > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>oh, wait, every piece of software on the mac does that :) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>-av > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Philip (Fiber) wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>IE on mac is so horrible... i suggest you get Omniweb, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>www.omnigroup.com > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>its buggy and doesnt work very well but at least it > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >works > > > > > >>>>better > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>than > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>IE > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>on mac. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>[Phil] IE is horrible on the PC as well, so I use Mozilla > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>which > >> > >> > >>>>>>>is > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>the > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>best on PC and Mac (it is available on Mac right?). > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>list > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>archives, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>please visit: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>-- > >>>>>>>>>>--------- > >>>>>>>>>>[DRP]Avatar-X > >>>>>>>>>>SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com > >>>>>>>>>>SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com > >>>>>>>>>>My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>-- > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >list > > > > > >>>>>>>archives, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>please visit: > >>>>>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>archives, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>please visit: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>archives, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>please visit: > >>>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>archives, > >> > >> > >>>>>>please visit: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>archives, > >> > >> > >>>>>>please visit: > >>>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>> > >>>>> > >archives, > > > > > >>>>please visit: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>>>please visit: > >>>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>>> > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> > >>> > >>please visit: > >> > >> > >>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> > >> > >please visit: > > > > > 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