It's on the intersection between the objects. It's hard to see in a screenshot, but in full motion it's painfully obvious because it looks like an escalator. The jaggies don't stay put. Unfortunately, most of my screencaps from back then I took when there wasn't jaggies in view precisely because they look ugly. But I assure you, those jaggies aren't the normal sort that occur on diagonal lines. They have a saw-tooth outline instead of the normal staircase outline.
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:44:39 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eh? I don't see anything bad about that screen shot. I can find very few > jaggies in that pic. > > > > > Quoting Bob Aman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > It's possible that the jaggiez issue was fixed as of the 9800, but I > > doubt it. Everyone in my corp who has an ATI card is reporting the > > problem. I know it's not just me. The spontaneous combustion was > > admittedly not *entirely* ATI's fault. It turned out to have be > > ultimately caused by the wiring in the house not being properly > > grounded, but I'm still pretty sure video cards are not supposed to > > burn up as a result. > > > > I tend to agree that on sheer FPS performance, it's likely to be > > ATI, > > but at this point, most modern hardware will drive 1280x1024 (native > > lcd resolution) at at least 60 FPS at max or near max settings > > regardless of whether it's ATI or nvidia. Given that, and my > > problems > > with ATI, the decision is easy for me. If you never have to call > > tech > > support, hey, great. But if you have a problem with your card, know > > that ATI is not your friend. And it's not just the one support > > person. I have talked to at least 10 seperate ATI tech support > > people > > over the course of the life of my two ATI cards. ATI tech support > > is > > based entirely on their database of support issues which appears to > > be > > the same as what's on their website. All fine and good if you > > happen > > to have a really common issue, but I can fix really common issues > > quite capably myself, thankyouverymuch. Actually knowledge of the > > products themselves seems to be reserved to their last tier of tech > > support people, and they're about on par with most other companies's > > first tier in my experience. I'm not really impressed. > > > > Jaggies can be seen on an old screenshot from my 9700 before it went > > up in flames. > > http://www.purblind.net/jaggies.jpg > > > > As for drivers, not entirely sure what you mean. The installer for > > the nVidia drivers is at least 100x times better than ATI's. The > > drivers themselves seem to be pretty comparable. What's wrong with > > them exactly? > > > > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:03:13 -0800, HoundDawg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bob Aman > > > > > > > > There's a few problems with ATI though. For instance, I have a > > 6800 > > > > now because my old 9700 Pro card decided to spontaneously > > combust > > > > taking half my computer with it. ATI's tech support put me on > > hold > > > > for 45 minutes on a long distance call to Canada because they > > have no > > > > 1-800 number, and then told me that because it was an "act of > > God" it > > > > wasn't covered by warranty and thusly, I would have to pay $75 to > > get > > > > the card "refurbished." As if the scorched thing could be.... > > > > > > Sorry to hear about your problems with your ATI card. I've been > > pro-Nvidia > > > for years until last year. Their latest cards (5800/5900 at the > > time) and > > > drivers were the worst I've seen ever. Their cards took up 2 PCI > > slots and > > > ran nearly 10 degrees hotter than the ATI card I have now (9800 > > pro). Due > > > to the problems with NVidia, I switched to ATI's 9800 Pro and > > haven't had > > > any issues since. > > > > > > I've played EVE, PlanetSide, FarCry, Call of Duty, BF1942, WarCraft > > III, > > > Rise of Nations, EverQuest II, Guild Wars, SW Battlefront, HL1, > > quite a few > > > others, and now HL2. I have not experienced any of these "jaggiez" > > issues, > > > nor have had any other problems while playing many various games > > with gfx > > > setting to high/max. For HL2, I even upgraded my drivers to the > > latest > > > released ones and had no problems. > > > > > > Either the 9700 had a serious flaw, or yours was an isolated > > incident and > > > you just happen to get the wrong support people on the phone. > > Sometime this > > > next year, I'll be testing the latest gfx card from both NVidia and > > ATI, and > > > making my own analysis on which is the better card. My guess is > > that it'll > > > probably be ATI for a few more years to come. > > > > > > - HoundDawg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bob Aman > > http://www.rapidcanvas.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- Bob Aman http://www.rapidcanvas.com _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
