Hi List- My plan is to always maintain and distribute the SDK tools for the current generation of the Source engine as well as the previous version. This way mod teams that are in the process of shipping aren't put in a tough spot.
When we release another major version of the Source engine the Orange Box version of the tools will be the legacy path and the Ep1 tools will be dropped. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ondrej Hošek Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Cant create source mod I agree that you should be able to compile, run and create content for existing mods for old engines, but NEVER to create new ones (which is what Christoph seemed to be trying to do, but it was probably a misconception). Creating a mod for HL2 at this timepoint would be like writing a Windows 3.1 16-bit program to run on the newest builds of Vista. (Tip: no 16b emulation on 64b systems!) We can try to ask Valve to keep the EP1 Source SDK Base for an indefinite amount of time (not sure how long they are planning to keep it now). I hope Black Mesa will still be released in this century. Good luck. ~~ Ondra On 16.11.07 12:58 Uhr, Paul Peloski wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > He brings up a good point though, can you mod for HL2 anymore? Shouldn't the > tools come in 3 versions? There are tools and source code for HL2, EP1, EP2 > (almost). Why not have the option to access them all. Forcing mod makers to > upgrade their code and assets to work on the new engine doesn't make sense > for some large mods that are nearly finished. > > For example with Black Mesa. I want to go with EP2 but by the time the > source code comes out, merging with the code we have will take a very long > time and definitely delay and release - because not only do we have to merge > but we also have to test everything again. So we're stuck on the EP1 engine > unless we commit to a lot of work. > > What if they shut off the EP1 SDK like they have the HL2 SDK? Does that mean > we either spend a lot of time merging or we can't work on the mod? Not a > good solution IMO. > > Regards, > > Paul > > On Nov 16, 2007 4:58 AM, Ondřej Hošek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Source is an engine. Engines come in builds. >> >> The three builds currently (and historically) in use by modders are, >> IIRC, the one used in HL2, the one used in EP1, and the one used in the >> Orange Box. >> >> At the moment, you can only make mods for EP1, which then run off the >> Source SDK Base. (This removes the requirement of people having to have >> EP1 to run your mod; I hear there will be a Source SDK Base for the >> Orange Box engine too.) Soon(ish), the sources for the OB engine will be >> released too. >> >> I advise you not to delve too far in mod making with the EP1 engine. You >> can experiment, but you should probably create your first concise mod >> with the EP2 engine, simply because a) it's being released soon, b) it's >> going to be supported longer and c) it has more features. >> >> The reason you had to add that switch was so that the SDK tool doesn't >> try to extract the (currently non-existent) EP2 engine sources. >> >> Hope this clears things up. >> >> ~~ Ondra >> >> On 16.11.07 7:37 Uhr, Neuwirth Christoph wrote: >> >>> I just wanna create a source mod. Not ep1 or ep2 just a regular source >>> mod. >>> >>> Adding the engine parameter made it working. >>> >>> Thx for the help >>> >>> >>> >>> Christopher Harris schrieb: >>> >>>> Oh I thought he just wanted to make a mod, not an ep2 one. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jeffrey "botman" Broome" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 4:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Cant create source mod >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Christopher Harris wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It doesn't matter, you don't need ep1 to use the source sdk. You just >>>>>> need a >>>>>> game that comes with it according to the steam store. >>>>>> >>>>> But you DO need EP2 SDK source code if you are going to create a mod >>>>> for >>>>> an EP2 based game. No source code for EP2 has been released yet. >>>>> >>>>> You can use the SDK (level editor, tools), but you can't create a mod. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jeffrey "botman" Broome >>>>> _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
