I am sorry--I tend to bite on things when I think they are stepping on me. To use a metaphor to demonstrate this behaviour.
Well, to be fair--when I have ever gotten this complaint, you Jonathan Murphy have been the first to try to explain the issues. Though still, I do not get why my typing is superfluous. But then, this has been one example, that I may have came to the wrong conclusion on. It is mostly comments like Tony "omega" Sergi that I have gotten over the years, that just do not click in my head, that have helped formed this style. What he responded to was a post listing various things I have adjusted and changed, because I have gotten this complaint from quite a few people, who could not seem to give examples of any kind or even really back up there side. Essentially, you have five people complaining. However, only one person presenting their case. And well, I have one person presenting my case. Yes, I know the complaints are there... but people just MAKE the complaints, and I look at them like they are smoking crack. Because I look at what I write, and none of it really is that off topic. I look at my responses, and generally look at what they are saying as having nothing to do with my post. I try to adjust, and try to get onto their topic. Then their responses get even more puzzling. Typically, from what I see, most peoples responses to my posts tend to be rather off topic, and seem to completely miss what I was trying to say. They tend to not develop their point in any way--or even back up their claims--or develop in any way. So like I said, most of my adjustments I have made to my writing style over the last few years, have been because I have gotten these complaints. Just nobody could really indicate how or why the complaint is real. The just said the complaint and did not back it up. Sorry--it is just... confusing for me. As none of you really are making any sense, save you Jonathan, as you are actually looking to develop why you have these complaints. So I can possibly understand what is going on. Essentially from where I am sitting, I am having the same problem with you guys, just you guys are not developing yourselves in what appears to be your complete offtopic responses to what I thought were completely on topic responses. ~Katrina. On Monday, July 26, 2010 06:48:46 pm Jonathan Murphy wrote: > I already took the time out to show you an example of your superfluous > typing, please don't try to take this in circles and make our point even > more valid than it already is. > > We shouldn't have to prove anything anyway, we have much better things to do > with our time. Just know that it is true because it seems to be a general > concensus (at least four or five people on this thread alone have complained > about it). If you can find anyone defending your view point please point > them out to us? Otherwise, take the comments on board and adjust > accordingly. > > These are my final pieces of advise to you as a long time member of this > list, please remember we are trying to help you. > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Katrina Payne < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > I am going to assume that most of your post is surplufious hypeboles of > > inqualifiable and unverifiable claims, and you assume anybody else does the > > same > > as yours. > > > > Since mine are five as you say, you appear to assume that I do five of what > > you > > do. > > > > As that is all I can figure out from this post--without you citing > > examples. > > > > I know you will not however. > > ~Katrina > > > > On Monday, July 26, 2010 06:28:16 pm Tony "omega" Sergi wrote: > > > I try to avoid these types of things but- I just can't at the moment. > > > > > > The whole thing can be summed up in three sentences: > > > It takes you 5 paragraphs to get your points across. > > > You go off-topic about a million different things while trying to make > > one > > > point, and most of the time is irrelevant. > > > This is the reason that those who have spoken are complaining, nothing > > more. > > > > > > -Tony > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Katrina Payne < > > [email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Well, this style that you do see, that I am working to adjust out of, > > was > > > > mostly only created by these accusations of wall of text. > > > > > > > > I am now at the point that I do not even really type: > > > > * Redundant remarks > > > > * Irrelevant statements (in my mind at least) > > > > * Keeping each "paragraph" along a single logical step in thought (if > > at > > > > all > > > > possible) > > > > > > > > The thing is, I have included a few other elements that cause issues. > > > > > > > > As I have found some people complaining about wall-of-texting tend to > > miss > > > > sentences if they are not at the start of a paragraph. To point this > > out, > > I > > > > tend to make these sentences their own paragraph. > > > > > > > > Personally, I blame that in the past, accusers have generally been > > fairly > > > > terrible about qualifying what made my wall of text, a wall of text. > > > > Forcing > > > > me mostly to guess, and adjust. > > > > > > > > It is also these other previous issues with this, that have just > > generally > > > > lead me to regard Wall-of-texts as not a real accusation. > > > > > > > > Generally I do read my stuff prior to posting it. I do miss a few > > things > > > > due to > > > > being in a rush, yes. > > > > > > > > Though--I just noticed that in your reply to shorten my response, I > > appear > > > > to > > > > have a few newlines in odd places. I am fairly certain my client forces > > a > > > > newline on my messages at column 79... though it has just occurred to > > me > > it > > > > might not--or that may somehow have an issue propagated elsewhere. > > > > > > > > I will note, that in threads about coding issues, I agree that text > > should > > > > be > > > > short. The code and comments in code should do most of the talking in > > > > those. > > > > > > > > However, this, and other threads that I have gone over board with the > > > > others > > > > in, there has been very little code applied. So what would normally be > > > > present > > > > in code and comments in the code, appears to be done in a more verbose > > > > manner. > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > ~Katrina > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 26, 2010 05:34:35 pm Jonathan Murphy wrote: > > > > > Sorry, I typed it in a hurry and yes, you would probably write > > something > > > > > completely different to what I did, it was only an example of the > > short > > > > form > > > > > communication that people prefer to read in a discussion list. > > > > > > > > > > I suppose it also isn't a blanket rule, sometimes (rarely) a wall of > > text > > > > > may be required, particularly when someone is starting a new thread > > and > > > > > trying to explain the problem they are dealing with and also when > > people > > > > are > > > > > posting pieces of code. Just try to be as short as possible while > > > > > maintaining your point. > > > > > > > > > > I have the habit of reading everything I post and if I realise I'm > > not > > > > > adding anything to the conversation, I cut chunks of my post out as a > > > > > courtesy to the other members. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
