Just to add to this, I found out that Tony's suggestion of using clientside only entities on the client to represent visually bullets, is the most viable. Since with the non-entity clientside bullets, you can't attach an effect, or have it follow the projectile... Or at least you can't with the new particle system.
Here's the final result : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbeM9sg0DX0 On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Psy_Commando <psycomma...@gmail.com>wrote: > Nice. I wonder what other tricks you mean, it sounds pretty interesting :) > > Anyways, here's the code I forgot to post in my last mail : > http://pastebin.com/dcpppD3b > > Its called in the PostRender() method of the game system. > > > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Tony "omega" Sergi > <omegal...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> http://youtu.be/Zl1K4Ep9jVg >> That was mine. I'm sure i have the code laying around somewhere. >> Also, I did an alien swarm implementation as well, i'll look around for >> it, if need be. >> After thinking about this, I want to revise the whole thing some more >> with some other tricks that I've learned over the past 2 years :-> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Psy_Commando <psycomma...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Woops, thanks, I didn't think about that .. >>> Anyways, I converted it to an AutoGameSystemPerFrame, and it works. The >>> only think left to fix is the bullets appearing in weird places, with weird >>> sizes. : >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFKhODC1j34 >>> Its the blue wireframe mesh, that appears behind the player.. >>> >>> Here's my rendering code, Its all bits from the C_BaseAnimating code. I >>> suspect its my transform that's wrong, because I don't really know what >>> that matrix is supposed to contain.. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Tony "omega" Sergi <omegal...@gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> .. Make an AutoGameSystem. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Psy_Commando <psycomma...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Finally got it to work, the server part at least. For some obscure >>>>> reasons, my manager entity spawns only on the server, the client-side part >>>>> doesn't spawn at all, even if I create it with CBaseEntity::Create ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Tony "omega" Sergi < >>>>> omegal...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The point of this system is so that you DON'T have to network >>>>>> anything. >>>>>> You don't create an entity, and you don't network any information. >>>>>> If you start doing that, you might as well just make entities, and do >>>>>> it the same as usual, as you then lose the whole point. >>>>>> >>>>>> In theory, you could just make one entity for using the render >>>>>> handle, it just becomes messy to maintain, but I had thought of doing the >>>>>> same thing. >>>>>> -Tony >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Psy_Commando >>>>>> <psycomma...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the answer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But after looking at that solution, I have a few more questions: >>>>>>> Any ideas on how to network an array of structs with their own >>>>>>> sendtables ? I want to network the bullet info struct for each bullets >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> the server to the client. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And, instead of creating many client entities, can I just have one, >>>>>>> with multiple models ? I saw I could call the model renderer with model >>>>>>> data. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, what do you mean Adam by "assigning the sprites your particle >>>>>>> manager"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Tony "omega" Sergi < >>>>>>> omegal...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I did something similar to this in Project Valkyrie for all >>>>>>>> projectiles that don't need special functionality like seeking. >>>>>>>> Essentailly I have a manager that runs on both the client and the >>>>>>>> server, which handles the projectiles moving and doing traces for >>>>>>>> damage >>>>>>>> etc, and the client handles the visual representation. >>>>>>>> You still have to create a client-side entity for each projectile >>>>>>>> if you want to display a model though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Additionally, I have a system in the gamerules that networks a >>>>>>>> projectile index to keep them in sync; Every projectile when it's >>>>>>>> created >>>>>>>> is then assigned the same ID ( ie: when a client projectile is created >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> prediction, it gets the new ID from the networked gamerules list) >>>>>>>> which the >>>>>>>> server also pulls from. Eventually this number gets cycled back down. >>>>>>>> Then when the client receives an event from the server saying the >>>>>>>> projectile has impacted, it has an ID so that it knows which one to >>>>>>>> terminate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This system works really well, and if you're not using a lot of >>>>>>>> model based projectiles, or insane particle effects, it's capable to >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> thousands of projectiles active without any major perf hit. >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, in Valkyrie, some of the effects are a little heavy, >>>>>>>> and due to the development time taken, they were never really >>>>>>>> optimized, so >>>>>>>> Valkyrie still hits a rendering bottleneck with them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had done another test for simulating just "bullets" (only the >>>>>>>> impact rendering, and occasionally a tracer if desired) for a properly >>>>>>>> simulated ballistic system, it worked quite well, but I never rolled >>>>>>>> it out >>>>>>>> into any production environment, as nothing I have ever worked on has >>>>>>>> really needed it. It still has some issues with losing synchronization >>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>> drastic angle changes, but it performs extremely well. >>>>>>>> -Tony >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Psy_Commando < >>>>>>>> psycomma...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, I was wondering if it was possible to use the technique the >>>>>>>>> left4dead devs used for the infected, to handle non hitscan bullets ? >>>>>>>>> The technique I'm talking about was referenced in an article on >>>>>>>>> the vdc : >>>>>>>>> "If you're creating lots of individual objects all the time, >>>>>>>>> consider rolling them all into a single manager entity. This is how >>>>>>>>> Left 4 >>>>>>>>> Dead handles huge numbers of infected: they are all "finger puppets" >>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>> director."(https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Entity_limit ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Essentially I'd want to create simple "entities" for each bullets >>>>>>>>> and have them handled by a manager entity. But I was also wondering >>>>>>>>> how to >>>>>>>>> get the simple entities to transmit to the client, along with their >>>>>>>>> data ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The main reason I want to do this is because I have a lot of >>>>>>>>> sprite based projectiles to handle. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> -Tony >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -Tony >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -Tony >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> -Tony >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >> >
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