I disagree. There is plenty of forums for discussion with client-side issues. However, the number of HLDS specific help groups if far more limited. Client specific issues, or questions, should be marked with [OT]. I like helping people, but HLDS mailing list is not a place that should be flooded with "how do I bind a key?" type of questions. This is a resource for administrators of HL servers. They turn to each other for support, and turn to valve with questions and suggestions to make administrating HL servers easier and more effecient.
If you want a more general list, perhaps ask vavle to generate a "hlsupport@" list. While I'm not always a huge fan of Deacon, his mentality is needed. The reason this list is helpful to admins is because it is so heavly admin related. You make this list more general, and you're going to loose the admin population. I, along with many others, prefer NOT to filter through lots of redundant client-side issues. It would be a shame to loose many of the great admin helpers that exist on this list. Your own argument, "the client is useless without the server" supports my claim moreso than yours. Yes, the client's important, but without the server it's useless. So perhaps a definite support for server ONLY issues is what's needed here. Perhaps every client-side issue that's posted should get thwacked. Reviewing VAVLe's participation in this list, you can tell that it's almost 100% directed towards administrators, through either announcements of known bugs so that when clients yell "why am I overflowing with my ATi card..." we can provide them the answer. I've yet to see Eric respond to anything that wasn't tied to how HL\HLDS operated, known issues, or upcoming patch releases. True, I've only got mail dating back to 5/10/01 (I deleted everything prior to that). -----Original Message----- From: Stan Hoeppner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 1.1.0.8 On or Off topic?? Something I think list members should keep in mind with regard to on or off topic threads, is that in the client/server paradigm, the client is useless without the server. Thus, regarding the recent 1108 update, some of the issues it has created, the nature of this list, AND Valve's direct participation in this list, I think these types of questions are well suited here. It is my opinion (and I would hope the opinion of other members as well) that this list is a resource for all people involved with serving or adminning HL servers. If a member has a client question or issue, why not discuss it and help with the resolution? Isn't the purpose of this list to help others who are having problems? I think many of us have forgotten that... I may be wrong, but I don't know of any mailing list or forum for client questions that could have successfully handled this issue for him. If this is not the case, please let me know where to go for issues of this type. I've found over the last year that this list is the best source of knowledge for ALL aspects of HL, not just HLDS. Before slamming someone for being what you consider [OT], think first about what other avenue the poster might pursue to get his/her question/issue answered or resolved. If you can't suggest one, don't hammer the poster for being supposedly [OT]. If you can, direct the poster of the [OT] message to the appropriate location he/she should visit to resolve the problem. This list exists to help other gamers, not to discourage them. I was kind of hoping that with Deacon being gone from the list now, that this kind of mentality would gradually disappear from the list... If none of the other list members feels like answering the question, they won't. StanTheMan TheHardwareFreak www.hardwarefreak.devastation.cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard C. Ryzner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:58 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [OT]Re: 1.1.0.8 > > > > Is it client or server, sounds like client to me. If im wrong > my apologies. > But in the initial post he stated in regards to his getting > on the web and > playing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Hoeppner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:49 AM > Subject: RE: [OT]Re: 1.1.0.8 > > > > > > Hmm.. I don't see how this thread is off topic. They're > having a problem > > with a MOD that seems to have been broken by the 1108 > update. I'd say > this > > is perfectly on topic. > > > > StanTheMan > > TheHardwareFreak > > www.hardwarefreak.devastation.cc > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Richard C. Ryzner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:39 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [OT]Re: 1.1.0.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly [OT] stuff like this. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ryan McCullough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:20 PM > > > Subject: RE: 1.1.0.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, this is a question that I do not have the answers to. > > > You should > > > email > > > > eric smith or erik johnson about this. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] should do it. Let us know what > you find out. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Noah Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2025 6:18 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: RE: 1.1.0.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a OpFor 1.1.0.6 patch, but I needed the HL patch > > > to play online, > > > > I'm still getting the "cannot join server running > different protocol > > > > version." OpFor still runs the file hl.exe, so the patch > > > should work. > > > > > > > > Noah > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ryan McCullough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:57 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: RE: 1.1.0.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What patch are you trying to run? I don't think you can run > > > the HL1108 > > > patch > > > > on blueshift. I didn't see an opposing force 1108 patch > either. Most > > > likely > > > > nothing changed, or valve is no longer supporting this. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Noah Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2025 5:43 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: 1.1.0.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have e-mailed Sierra, I have posted on numerous message > > > boards, and I > > > > still haven't gotten a reasonable answer to my problem. I > > > am using OpFor > > > on > > > > the Blue-Shift cd, but when I try to install the latest > > > patch, it says I'm > > > > running the [space] version of half-life, and the patch is > > > for the english > > > > version. Seeing as I can read the menus, I believe I have > > > the english > > > > version, but it seems to think I have no language version. > > > I think this > > > has > > > > something to do with the sierra.inf or language.inf files, > > > but I'm not > > > sure. > > > > If someone (that has the patch working) could send a copy > > > of those files > > > for > > > > me to compare? I have already tried re-re-re-installing > > > opfor, but no > > > luck. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Noah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
