There is a serious further problem with programs like x-spectate in that this program is written by a known cheat writer.
It is also implemented using typical cheat hooking and VAC avoidance methods so it is only time before it is flagged as a cheat. How many of you would trust (or even install) an anti-cheat tool written by someone that writes the very cheats the tool is supposed to detect? And I'm not talking about "used to write cheats", I'm talking about someone that is very active in the current cheat community. How could you trust code that could potentially have anything written into it. SteamIDs: Valve does not accept SteamID reports, screenshots or even demos as proof of cheating, it is too easy for some malicious person to submit faked evidence. None of these methods actually identify what specific cheat program is being used, and no matter how skilled someone is at reviewing demos, the sheer drudgery of watching thousands of hours of recordings renders this marginal at best without some other form of proof. Server Admins on the other hand can individually make their own judgments based on their logs and direct observation. qUiCkSiLvEr ----- Original Message ----- From: spartibus Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 11:54 AM Sharza, the problem is most cheats DE-ACTIVATE themselves right before the screenshot is taken, and re-activate themselves immediately after the screen is taken. And what's worse, is that this is so instant that you can't even notice it, literally. And practically every major cheat has this. That's why things like X-Spectate are useless. A tool that forced people to record for 2 minutes, wouldn't show anything that you can't see spectating, either. I guess that would be useful if you weren't at the server at that particular time, but ultimately you can just use HLTV. -----Original Message----- From: [YG]Sharza Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 11:40 AM > Hacks don't show up on screenshots. End of story. > Punkbuster is worthless, in the fact that you can download a program that > tricks pbuster into thinking its running. It would only be usefull if built into the engine itself, as adminmod is not directly running on the the client machine and could not get a screen shot of the client machines videomemory. Cheats themselves does not show up that's correct, but not end of story. Because if someone is wallhacking, you would be able to see that from a direct screen dump, as you would see what the cheater sees, thus the transparent walls and the tracers and the glowing enemies for some cheats would obviously blow him wide open. Next thing is that many cheats, ogc for instance brags about being so easy to use and hell, most of the cheaters screen is full of on-screen menus, thus once again blowing the cheaters cover. Some cheats of course will be able to disguise themselves, but once again, many times this will rely on the technical skills of the cheater him/herself to install and configure such a cheat correctly, and mostly its poor souls with a burning need to be better than others and able to own who cheats. So the end of the story would be, that even though it doesn't reveal any cheater, a lot of cheaters could be spotted immediately, even for instance a 2 minute background demo recording with transparent walls as an opposite for the x-spec thing and uploading it to the server in compressed format or similar for the admin to spectate and see what happens. Another thing is that I seem to notice that the amount of cheaters using especially aimbot and wh's is rising again, is other noticing the same thing, eventually before they were almost completely gone after vac was updated rapidly, but seems to be returning and not being caught. Is there any way to report a cheater's steamed with attached demo's in order to get their license deactivated from steam enabled servers? L8r, Sharza _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
