Thats my point, the amount of records we are talking about is not that large when you have worked with decent sized databases.
I guess you have: Account Name Contact E-mail Password Secret Question Secret Answer CD-Key STEAM_ID So about 7 basic fields per user and I guess you would have times and dates as well, so I mean you could have 20 fields and its still nothing. I guess you could keep records of IP addresses and servers played on if you wished which would increase the amount of fields you require, but I mean there are people who are cleverer and more experienced than I am who would be able to tell you that this would be pretty easy to keep a record of all of this stuff if required, but in any case is not necessary for identification/authetication purposes and you could keep it in several linked databases and only keep a database with the above fields or something similar for the day to day authetication since that where the largest amount of querys are going to occur. As I said quite sometime ago in this list, if you don't know what you are doing just get IBM to do it for you, it wouldn't even be that expensive and a least THEY know wtf they are doing! On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:25:54 -0000, BoNfiRe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Probbably because of the scale involved in doing this. > How many ppl have steam accounts hmm too many. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Whisper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > > Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security > > please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their > > STEAM_ID system? > > > > Doesn't Valve have complete control over the STEAM User and STEAM_ID > > database? > > > > Doesn't Valve know which STEAM_ID's belong to which STEAM Users? > > > > Don't Valve know whether a STEAM Account has been created legitimately > > on their STEAM User database or not? > > > > Can't Valve verify that people in a server are using STEAM_ID's that > > were created legitimately and belong to the STEAM User they purport to > > be? > > > > From my basic knowledge of databases and network security all this > > should be extremely simple to setup and secure and the database would > > not ever be that large (10 million records is nothing in the scheme of > > databases) and no matter what is occurring on the client (which is how > > nosteam works AFAIK it is all client side) it should be damn simple to > > stop illegitimate users connecting or at least staying connected to a > > server if the correct procedures were put in place! > > > > Anybody got any reason why this would be a difficult thing to do? > > > > Anybody got any insights into how nosteam works and why it's so > > difficult for Valve to block its use? > > > > Nobody I have spoken to about this issue who knows anything about > > databases, database & network security understands when I put to them > > the scenario, why this is a problem. > > > > > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:57:26 -0700, Alex Herlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> Haha yea... > >> > >> I am very pissed that Valve hasn't had more support for Steam related > >> technology since the release of Half-Life 2... I mean Steam has been > >> buggy > >> and weird in general, and had poor anti-cheat protection for a while > >> now... > >> but now that I've forked over $60 for half-life 2, I kind of expect a lot > >> of > >> these things to be resolved by now, or being fixed very quickly as we > >> speak. > >> > >> Don't get me wrong, I see the potential of steam as being something > >> really > >> great.. but right now with the flakey friends network being practically > >> unusable, and no anti-cheat/hack protection, its all totally worthless... > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:39 PM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > >> > >> You must not forget to get the media involved (c-net, zd-net, abc, cbs, > >> post, times, etc..). Only then will it truly work. > >> > >> Happy Holidays > >> > >> Andrew R. Mitcham wrote: > >> > >> >I'm all for a shut down of my servers in protest. I think I have bitched > >> >and moaned about the negligence of VAC for years... and every time I do, > >> >someone says "Oh, they are working on it... be patient". 2 years > >> >later... MORE hackers than pre-steam. > >> > > >> >I participate in Steambans.com (I'm ranked #1 on there :D) which was > >> >great for a while. But now that I hear people can get a new STEAMID so > >> >easily, I have noticed return hackers... especially the ones that have > >> >the name changing script. > >> > > >> >While all of us stopping our servers for a day is a small percentage, > >> >I'm pretty sure we are the owners of some of the BETTER pubs out there. > >> >I know my CSDM server is hugely popular and its absence for a day would > >> >cause a lot of people to wonder. Multiply that by everyone on this list > >> >(OK, not everyone) it could cause a little publicity. > >> > > >> >We should email fan sites (csnation.net, hlfallout.net, halflife2.net, > >> >etc) and let them know that this event may occur and the reason why. > >> > > >> >Seriously, SOMETHING needs to be done and I won't take "someone is > >> >working on it" for an answer by someone who doesn't work for VALVe. > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > >> >Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:25 PM > >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > >> > > >> >IMO, this Friday is too soon, we need some organization and lots of > >> >folks (web sites) to spread the word > >> > > >> >Happy Holidays > >> > > >> >K. Mike Bradley wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>It wont hurt and it mite send a message. > >> >>There has been a discussion for over 8 months now so that don't work > >> >> > >> >> > >> >... > >> > > >> > > >> >>Show some solidarity admins! > >> >> > >> >>DO SOMETHING TO BREAK THE IMPASSE! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>-----Original Message----- > >> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > >> >>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:38 PM > >> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > >> >> > >> >>Thats just it, you won't hear a peep from them! On a serious note, I > >> >> > >> >> > >> >am > >> > > >> > > >> >>open to "anything" that would work. > >> >> > >> >>Happy Holidays > >> >> > >> >>J Marcus wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>Nah that is not the answer..it would just help the empty servers. Why > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >not > >> > > >> > > >> >>>have a open discussion about it on this mailing list. Not looking to > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >go > >> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>into > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>anything specific but to have absolutely no response or participation > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >in > >> > > >> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>the > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>dialog from Valve just doesn't sit well with me. Or did I miss > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >something.. > >> > > >> > > >> >>>jefe > >> >>> > >> >>>-----Original Message----- > >> >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > >> >>>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:00 PM > >> >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>>Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > >> >>> > >> >>>Mike, a day is not enough, lets say a week! > >> >>> > >> >>>K. Mike Bradley wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>If you server admins really wanted to do something stop your servers > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >for > >> > > >> > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>one > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>day ... Lets say this Friday. > >> >>>> > >> >>>>See what Valve does then. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>-- > >> >>>No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> >>>Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.3 - Release Date: 12/14/2004 > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>_______________________________________________ > >> >>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>please visit: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>_______________________________________________ > >> >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> >>please visit: > >> >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ > >> >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >please visit: > >> > > >> > > >> >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> --- > >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
