Here's the problem.  I'm just not going to waste the effor to attempt to
read through that.  Take your time.  Think about what you want to say.  Then
write your thoughts.

I seriously think there needs to be a like 3rd list for hlds-gsp - hlds for
game service providers.  This would be Grand.  Many of us actually cover
BOTH platforms.


My biggest Valve complaint at the moment: Why is there a moderately
significant difference in the performance of SRCDS on Windows vs Linux.
HLDS doesn't has almost no difference leading me to use Gentoo Linux for
HLDS hosting 99% of the time (the Colo I use in Atlanta requires Windows for
they will not touch your box ... It is the dumbest thing in the universe,
but c'est la vie.)  But for SRCDS I basically have 0 choice as there's such
a gulf in memory usage (not to mention Actual in-game performance)

They do need to do a bit more testing with the current addons used by 99% of
the servers, but almost the only addon I have problems with is mani admin
mod, but it's also the only full admin mod that exists at this point.

Honestly, the other issues are not server issues and really belong on a
different list.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sprout
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] New bug/hack

I never said it was worth a crap ive been up way longer then that just
saying you don't think things out fully before writing emails. Punk kid yeah
ok you believe that I wasn't the one that used the word smack.  But yes
believe im a moron thats all great as I said u don't hurt my feelings what
so ever and yet again 1 email out of 7  or so was worth a damn.  I give that
to robert he had a good point.
He actually pointed out a flaw in what I said in my last email I give him
that.  I never said what game nor system stats or anything.  Cause in all
reality if I was running it on some quad processor server or something then
I doubt it would come near maxing out the system.  So congrats on that young
fellow.  He actually helped this problem people on this list might take a
thing or 2 from him he actually has something worth my while to say.

Lastly  to cure up any confusion of things so you can blame the right places
in government and such.  I live in tennessee the 48th worst state scores in
the USA.  So rip on me go for it I could care less its not my fault I passed
my classes with quite good grades.  I should forwarn anyone who goes to rip
on me about english go for it.  I don't pride myself in writting emails just
to shut a bunch of annoyences up about emailing 15 times on one subject.  Or
roasting on people when the topic doesn't at all concern them problem was
fixed.  So at what point do I need 20-30 people roasting on me about my lack
of explination.  Alfred or someone from the valve team can see my email and
can email me privatly if they had questions/concerns about my exact problem.

In any case this email is over I hope everyone enjoyed wasting another 5
minutes of your life reading my email just to roast me again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason O. Washburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] New bug/hack


> "email writing after about 15 hours of being up" Try several days and
> then we'll talk.  Obviously you're a young PUNK and haven't
> experienced life yet to think 15 hours is something.  15 hours is a
> normal day in the networking field.  Grow up KIDDIE before you decide
> to talk SMACK!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Elvin
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:20 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [hlds] New bug/hack
>
>
> Let me just explain something to you -
>
> If you come on here and say "I'm experiencing lag does is anyone able
> to help me" then you will get mature and useful responses.
>
> If you do what you have done and say VALVE FIX MY G4ME then we'll rip
> the piss out of you, because you didn't come here for help you came
> here to WHINGE.  And nobody likes a whinger understand?
>
> What else were you expecting considering the tone of your first message?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sprout
> Sent: 20 February 2006 02:43
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [hlds] New bug/hack
>
> I see that many of you don't like my english or email writing after
> about
> 15
> hours of being up.  I am so happy to tell you my problem just like
> many others do and leave it vague.
>
> I am experiencing lag valve fix it.
>
> Ok done.  Seen to many of these emails just like this one.  Or how
> about My cpu usage is high.  Yeah ok that helps... Does it say how
> much cpu usage per each process of the server does it run.  I see
> nothing in that quote that says that.  See this is all very helpful
> when valve goes to debug problems.
>
> I don't pretend to know what half this list says but knowing I got
> about
> 15
> responces off something directly to valve about a bug just shows it
> has lots of useless messages.
>
> I do remember a subject which I completly ignored this time saying
> this "VALVE are you lissening" it got something like 50 posts back.  I
> really don't see a use for that.  And just shows how much valve
> actually lissens If they spent their day reading emails from this list
> they might as well hire on another person just to do that.  If people
> would just read before opening their mouth or do as Kevin said If you
> don't have anything nice don't say anything at all this list would be
> much more productive be much easier for valve to deal with.  Valve
> would probably respond a whole lot more too.
>
> See All this flaming did nothing I still speak my mind as it comes to me.
> I
> know you can say im a moron im a crybaby I could care less.  I know
> many of you out there have small dicks and can't help to make yourself
> feel bigger then others by just insulting people.  This is the issue
> with many people if they would just go into things clear headed and
> not roast on people just cause you have nothing better to do then
> insult some other person who has helped other people on this list.
> Finally roast me WOOPTY DOOO While your at it convince valve to boot
> me off the list im sure valve agrees with half my email so far already
> though.  And btw I would roast on 50% of you back probably but I have
> better things to do then to read pages of emails when the main topic
> is lets roast on this kid cause 10 other people have.
> Creative I must say Hope you feel better cause you never made me feel bad.
> Nor will you ever So roast away kiddys :).
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [hlds] New bug/hack
>
>
>> Sigh.. I remember the days when this list was extremely informative,
>> helpful and people only spoke about their servers. Why do you many of
>> you feel it's necessary to be obnoxious? There is no need for cursing
>> or flaming. As your mother used to say... If you don't have anything
>> nice to say, don't say anything. If you don't like that idea, do us
>> all a favor and go to
>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of irv carlson
>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 4:47 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [hlds] New bug/hack
>>
>> 1) if someone asks me a question i answer it even if it is in 3 min
>> back to back to back 2)and if your mail box is getting flooded then
>> you should unsubscribe to these fourms you dont need to be a jerk
>> about i am just trying to find out what can help or fix the problem
>> and for any reason  you dont under stand someones question ask them
>> for more info dont be an ass hole! My problem has been ongoing for 2
>> 1/2 years and get the same answer form jerks like you hacked/virus no
>> so valve gave me this fourm to fix the problem and we have done
>> everything that people said to try and fix this and what ass holes
>> said to and it is not fixed so until it gets fixed your mail box will
>> still get flooded and as far as my spelling,grammer i could give a
>> SHIT what you think maybe you should let your man do the talking for
>> you!
>>
>>
>>>From: "sprout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>>To: <[email protected]>
>>>Subject: Re: [hlds] New bug/hack
>>>Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:40:06 -0600
>>>
>>>WAAA like I have ever cared what half these people say half these people
>>>don't know what they are talking about.   I am glad someone read my email
>>>though actually cause someone understood it.  Why the hell would u
>>>even respond if you can't understand it?  Such retarded people on this
>>>list.  I could care less what these people have to say.  Emails about
>>>bugs or hacks are ment for valve why people yet again respond to them
>>>knowing they can't help my problem why would they respond again.  Not
>>>even to mention I said I fixed my problem.
>>>
>>>See screw these people I am not afraid of getting flamed on this list
>>>cause if people took time to think about it Cause if you look at your
>>>email box I
>>>am staring at it right now I see 4 emails within a couple minutes from 1
>>>person another person irv carlson has 3 posts back to back to back about
>>>the
>>>same topic.  So if you arn't from valve then go flame someone else u
>>>worthless pieces of shit, and stop flooding my mailbox
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Stuart Stegall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: <[email protected]>
>>>Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:57 AM
>>>Subject: RE: [hlds] New bug/hack
>>>
>>>
>>>>Maybe I alone, but I am not really sure what your "problem" is.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason O.
>>>>Washburn
>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:51 AM
>>>>To: [email protected]
>>>>Subject: RE: [hlds] New bug/hack
>>>>
>>>>I'm glad someone understood the post:-(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian M Frain
>>>>(eternal)
>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:44 AM
>>>>To: [email protected]
>>>>Subject: Re: [hlds] New bug/hack
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Buddy, we are all
>>>>suffering from a variety of issues, we are all trying to be
>>>>heard.....in your case I
>>>>hope you wore your flame retardent suit though cause these guys are mean
>>>>and
>>>>your post is just asking for some retaliation.
>>>>I personally agree with the parts I can understand.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 2/19/06, sprout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>>>>>--
>>>>>[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Ok I get xfired
>>>>>from a admin of mine saying the game is all retarded at first I
>>>>>think he is screwing with me so I go in and seems like its MASSIVLY
>>>>>lagging at first.  I am like ok check this out check everything out
>>>>>box isn't doing jack I restart it fixed at first then goes retarded
>>>>>again.  So im like ok wth This must be some bug on valves side which
>>>>>it probably was cause I ran the same beetlesmod for MONTHS without
>>>>>changing it in any case update 3 files with beetles mod and they ban
>>>>>2-3 people right off and boom no more problem.  I don't know what
>>>>>beetle banned or whatever but can we please get whatever this was
>>>>>fixed like made us move really slow and choppy
>>>>>--
>>>>>
>>>>>
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