yeah this is the windows list, sorry bout the mildly ot discussion. On the subject of hating you. i personally think your a great bloke, very intelligent and helpful as and when you can be. If i ever had a chance of bumping in to you in the local, hell i'd buy you an archityple (sorry for the spelling) british pint, sir.
Whisper wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > This is the Windows HLDS list right? > > You all hate me btw, or so I am told. > > On 8/8/06, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Please excuse my unsolicited (and lengthy) comments... I believe both >> sides of this discussion have valid points but we would all be better >> off if we stopped flaming each other and just stuck to pertinent >> comments, pro or con as it were. >> >> I too believe Valve does an excellent job but I have also been extremely >> frustrated by (some) updates that are as likely to introduce a problem >> as they are to fix one. Could I do it better than Valve? Probably >> not... but I couldn't perform my own brain surgery either... that >> doesn't mean I'd accept poor brain surgery from my brain surgeon. >> >> One of the U.S. Astronauts upon landing on the Moon described the scene >> as "Magnificent Desolation"... at times that's how I feel about >> Microsoft. It's truly magnificent in it's scope and it has improved >> immeasurably over the years but it's glaring weakness relative to >> security more often than not creates problems for the average user while >> barely slowing down those with malevolent intent. On the stability >> front... the average (and even above average) PC user today appears to >> be unaware that you should "never" require an unscheduled re-boot a >> computer... that a re-boot is indicative of a serious problem that the >> OS didn't handle properly. >> >> Microsoft's extremely useful XP feature... Restore Points... is >> basically an admission that they can't stop malicious code, so the next >> best thing is to keep a snapshot of the system at various points in >> order to turn back time to a point before the problem. Not a bad idea >> given the porous nature of the OS... but what does it tell you about >> Microsoft's ability to prevent the problem in the first place? >> >> Can any of you professional IT guys out there imagine a scenario by >> which you needed to re-boot your mainframe or even your mid-range >> computers on a regular basis? Such a condition would never be tolerated >> in a professional, mission critical environment... but with PC's, it's >> expected. This may be the root reason why so many Unix guys can't stand >> Microsoft... Unix is more a mainframe OS (but can run on a PC) and as >> such appeals more to the mainframe mentality of 100% availability 100% >> of the time but Microsoft is exclusively a PC OS and must hold sway to a >> wider variety of operator capabilities... including your aunt Tessi who >> has trouble with left handed door knobs. >> >> So we have two distinct and different OS environments, each with it's >> strengths and weakness, being compared in a head-to-head competition >> which neither can win on merit alone. In the final analysis personal >> preference and professional experience should be your guide. In my >> opinion Valve should be commended for even attempting to accommodate the >> two disparate environments and I both applaud their excellent efforts >> and encourage them to continue to improve their offerings as they have >> consistently done in the past. >> >> Thanks for listening... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:52 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Sdk update >> >> >> Adam it was a point not that it actually happens. But if i used windows >> on my desktop it would be expected that i bought a virus scanner @ about >> £50, spyware/malware protection @ about £20 - £30, an office suite >> (microsoft would prefer it it if was ms office too) @ £500+ depending on >> the flavour. >> >> With linux all i have to do is spend about an hour d/ling a distro off >> the net. I then spend 45 mins installing it and bob's your uncle fully >> working os with office suite and more tools that i care to mention (that >> would cost hundreds of pounds to get a similar amount for windows) >> that's virtually virus proof and no one bothers writing malware for >> because they won't be able to get it to run on the remote system. >> >> Adam Sando wrote: >> >>> Dave, you obviously do not know the first thing about managing servers >>> running Windows Operating Systems. If your machine is being "trashed" >>> >> by >> >>> spyware/malware/etc-ware, and you need to re-install it every week, >>> perhaps you need to do two things: >>> 1. Stop installing un-trusted junk on your server >>> 2. Learn how to admin a Windows server/desktop, so you can fix your >>> stupid mistakes made in point #1 above. >>> >>> Servers installed by me back when Windows 2000 first came out, are >>> >> still >> >>> running with the same crusty version of Windows 2000 quite happily. >>> >> This >> >>> is primarily because I don't install every piece of junk on them, and >>> use a UAT-esque system for testing new application deployments. This, >>> >> I >> >>> would have thought, would be considered best practice - and as part of >>> your UAT phase, you would discover things like "oh wow this cool >>> >> server >> >>> tool installs bonzi buddy as part of its package. I better not put >>> >> that >> >>> on my production system". >>> >>> All you have shown Dave, is ignorance. >>> >>> Oh, and please do not flame me coz im 12 and uber leet lololol rofl >>> >> etc >> >>> etc. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Adam >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wim Barelds >>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2006 1:32 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Sdk update >>> >>> -- >>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Dave, shut up. >>> >> Windows >> >>> has been improving siginificantly in terms os stability and security. >>> The only one being significantly ignorant here is you and your linux >>> fan-boy-ish ass. >>> A) Linux distributions also have security issues >>> B) Linux distributions are also released with major bugs. >>> C) Microsoft shouldn't have to pay the bill your your lacking abbility >>> of maintaining a computer. >>> >>> Alfred has already said that the supposed "error", was not an error >>> >> but >> >>> was in fact simply a change. >>> Your "they can't support both" statement clearly is built on pretty >>> >> much >> >>> nothing. On top of that SrcDS.exe and the Source SDK both cost you no >>> money what-so-ever. Valve owes you nothing. >>> This includes, but is not limited to; Valve doesn't owe you a bug-free >>> SDK. >>> >>> On 8/8/06, Dave Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> this is a quote from the link bush gave . >>>> >>>> At Microsoft's Tech Ed conference in Amsterdam on Wednesday, a >>>> >> session >> >>> >>>> was devoted to how, according to one Microsoft fan at least, the >>>> >> Linux >> >>> >>>> kernel is beginning to resemble, well -- Windows. >>>> >>>> that person is a blithering idiot. the 2 os's are aimed at two very >>>> different markets. the fact that he claims the gap in securtiy in the >>>> two is closing is laughable. Microsoft couldn't build a secure safe, >>>> let alone an operating system. >>>> >>>> that whole article served only one purpose. to try and rubbish linux >>>> to the home windows user. tbf until microsoft actually produces a >>>> product that >>>> >>>> A) has a security system that can be trusted >>>> >>>> B) isn't released with major bugs in it >>>> >>>> C) generally works with out me having to spend hundreds if not >>>> thousands of pounds a year extra to keep my machine in a state where >>>> >> i >> >>> >>>> don't have to format the hard drive every week just so i know there >>>> isn't any lingering malware/spyware hiding deep down in the os. i'll >>>> stick to my linux box. >>>> >>>> One of the reasons i switched was because i had had enough of >>>> >> ignorant >> >>> >>>> bastards such as yourself pushing windows even with all its major >>>> flaws, trying to persuade ppl that even though it [windows] is >>>> blatantly inadequate, it is a better product that everything else. >>>> >>>> Once again MS has succeeded in brain washing another poor innocent. >>>> >> Go >> >>> >>>> back to your beloved pile of shite and keep you opinions to yourself. >>>> >>>> Nobody like being attacked for voicing their views and doug didn't >>>> deserve it, he made a valid point. how did you like being flamed for >>>> being an incorrect, arrogant knob? not fun was it? >>>> >>>> Bush wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Here you got mr. know-it-all; read this. >>>>> >>>>> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39159290,00.htm >>>>> >>>>> Just to give you a little more of an idea why its so difficult to >>>>> manage >>>>> >>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>>> debug such a huge project as this. >>>>> >>>>> Next time do a little more research before you come looking for >>>>> cattle >>>>> >>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> >>>>> slaughter mr. map maker. >>>>> >>>>> BTW.. aren't there enough maps for this game already? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, >>>>> >>>>> >>>> please visit: >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> >> archives, >> >>> >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> >> please visit: >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > -- > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
