What we _really_ need is a proper plugin framework like amx - it's been a good while since source was released now and we still haven't seen anything of sourcemod. If we had this, made properly using the supported methods, developers could use this to build fairly stable plugins and we could for an example have database functionality. A proper bansystem that can check users against a central ban database and plugins allowing things like advertising messages, admins, reserved slots, mod XP points and whatever being read from a database instead of files are some examples where this is needed.
However, in the meantime the SDK does not provide all the functionality the developers need - if it did they would be using it. That valve has no obligations to help the people making it possible for us to run our game servers is bs imo. I would certainly not be able to run my servers without proper admin support (no, rcon doesn't do the trick) and as long as valve does not provide any solutions for this them self they should be very grateful for the work these developers put into making their game service better. These developers put a lot of time and effort into this and do not demand any money back from the users - while valve is a multi-billion business (god knows how much they have earned on online hl based games over the years). Not to mention people like us that put A LOT of our spare time into running servers for their games. Without all the people out there doing this, valve would not have a customer base for their online games (there would be no servers). If just the ~250k players we have had playing at our servers over the past year or so have used $30 on steam games - that's $7500000 worth of players using our services free of charge. In the end valve should not just turn their backs to us and just tell us not to use these 3rd party plugins when valve can solve this fairly easily and save all their customers and people providing services for their games for a lot of problems. All it would take is pre-releasing their updates so that developers can debug their plugins before everyone is forced to update and have a fix ready. (Wee I've said that so many times now :D) Best regards the AFPRM (Admins For Pre Release Movement). :P -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Simpson Sent: 27. august 2006 18:56 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Seeing Valve's point of view on this, any suggestion here, even just pre-releasing the server updates in advance of the public release, is going to increase Valve's workload because of people using unsupported methods in plugins, and I think it should be pretty obvious to everyone why Valve see that as unacceptable. The real issue is why plugin developers have to use unsupported methods in the first place, and the dialogue should be around providing the means by which plugin developers shouldn't have to do things an unsupported way so that this becomes a non-issue. In the meantime, the plugin developers who do use unsupported methods should just make everyone aware that their plugins are inevitably going to break on a version roll. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobby35ny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released > How is this even a debate? > > Valve is saying go by our rules AKA sdk, and the mods will be fine. > > The mod makers should adhere to the rules. If the mod maker wants to add a > feature that has to go around the API, shame on them. > > The community should tell the mod makers to stick to the rules. > > I wish there was a admin type mod that followed the rules 100%, I would > use > it in a heartbeat. > > -Bobby > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
