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Chris Barnett wrote: > With respect, > > Anyone who complains about anything or pushes a suggestion forward on > a > public mailing list, or the Steam forums, in the hope that Valve would > listen, can be told by some random stranger "Hey, you know, Valve > doesn't > have to do that..." - And it never helps anyone. > > We know Valve doesn't have to do anything. None of us has to do > anything. > > If you really want to know the bottom line, the only thing any of us > have to > do, is die. > > I don't think there is a single person on this mailing list, who > hasn't read > the rather bleeding obvious fact that Valve doesn't have to do what > we want. > You might as well tell us all that the sky is blue. > > Cheers, > > Chris. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Luna > Sent: 11 December 2006 21:40 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > Understood... but I was just using the Cable TV thing as an example > of a > dramatic departure from the accepted norm. The bottom line is you > have the > choice of running a server or not running a server. If you choose to > run a > server Valve owes you exactly Jack Squat. If you think that isn't > fair then > you can exercise your right not to run a server. I think server > admin's run servers because it's their passion and making money is a > distant secondary consideration. If Valve wants to pay me to run my > server I'll be more than > happy to cash the checks, but if they don't I'll still run my server. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Saint K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > > Goin on about the TV stuff, your TV doesnt actually provide anything > to the network. You can see your tv as a "leecher" and we server > hosts, as the "TV > cable provider"(We just dont provide the programs playing on it.... > You can > see it as a free TV station for broadcasters). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:34 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > > By many years... rofl. Lets put it this way... when I was a kid we > listened > to radio because there were very few televisions. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > > Can ya beat 42?? > > :) > >> >> From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: 2006/12/09 Sat AM 06:28:24 CST >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 >> >> "... waffling more than John Kerry." ROFL! >> >> Okay... seriously now. I've seen this all before and you guys are >> 100% correct to be concerned but you're also spitting into the wind. >> The times they are a changin and in-game adds are comin. To quote a >> phrase oft used by one incredibly sexy ex-Borg... "resistance is >> futile". >> >> I'm a bit older then; well... all of you (hehehe), and I lived >> through this before. No, not adds in movie theaters... that was >> relatively recent... I'm talking about Cable Television. Back in >> the dark ages (before computers) there was but a handful of >> channels, available only via "Rabbit Ears" or an antennae on your >> roof. Then one day someone mentioned that we would soon be >> introduced to something called Cable Television and that we would >> have to pay a monthly fee to watch TV. The world laughed out loud >> at such a ridiculous concept... "Pay to watch the television I >> already paid for?... Not on your life"! Or so we thought. >> >> Now don't get me wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want, >> but who among us really wants to go back to 7 snowy channels spewing >> forth the party line when we can have hundreds of crystal clear >> channels with something that fits just about every taste and style? >> >> Remember... when your done changing, you're done. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [DMA]RocketUSA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:03 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 >> >> >> IF this all is true, Valve is waffling more than John Kerry. Think >> about this. They disable the content server loading banner for all >> of us that provide servers for this game, AT NO CHARGE TO THEM, and >> now they see that they can make revenue off of not just that but IN >> GAME also so it's o.k.? >> >> I'm not liking this ride if it's true. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:08 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 >> >> Some of you seem to "get it". For the others, corporations are all >> about making money and they will continually try to come up with >> ways to make more. As long as what they do continues to make them >> money (or in this case even more money), they will not change. They >> would not implement a change unless they believed that their gains >> (in advertising revenues) would outweigh any losses (in gamers). >> Alot of people like to play this game and will continue to play no >> matter what. Most GSP's will continue to host until they are no >> longer making money. In the end, its a waiting game. Does their >> gamble pay off or not? Only the players, the GSP's and time will >> tell. >> >> Me? I shut my server down. Time to move on to another game and see >> if I can find some of the fun that I use to have playing CS. >> >> Just my .02 >>> >>> From: Wojciech H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Date: 2006/12/08 Fri AM 11:28:57 CST >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 >>> >>> In game ads have already been done, and Valve is just following the >>> 'trend' I guess. For instance, BF2142 has in game ads, and a lot of >>> people did not buy the game based on it. >>> >>> I think some arguments for having in game advertising is to pay for >>> maintaining: the games, the update system, the many more >>> updates/addons that people have started to expect, the master >>> server lists, etc. >>> >>> >>> Dan E wrote: >>>> As far as region specific, don't you specify what >>>> language you speak when you install Steam? >>>> >>>> I'm personally ticked off that they want us to look at >>>> ads in a game which we have already paid for. A demo >>>> I can understand, but this is just rediculous. >>>> >>>> --- Steven Hartland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> This brings some interesting questions: >>>>> * How are they going the ensure the adds are region specific >>>>> This is required to ensure that the language is >>>>> correct and >>>>> local laws adhered to. >>>>> * How are they going to deal with the case that the ad's >>>>> may go against sponsorship deals for the servers or tournaments >>>>> etc. >>>>> >>>>> Its not going to go down well if a Intel sponsored >>>>> tourney >>>>> started displaying adds for AMD processors in the >>>>> middle >>>>> of the match. >>>>> >>>>> By the same reasoning if provider X started >>>>> advertising >>>>> and this where to show up on provider Y's servers >>>>> they >>>>> would be understandably pissed. >>>>> >>>>> These are just two logistical issues which spring to mind. >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ================================================ >>>>> This e.mail is private and confidential between >>>>> Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom >>>>> it is addressed. 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