does anyone have a solution to removing these ads, or do we need to find
someone to piddle the files, because i have noticed a HUGE decline in the
purchase of cs 1.6 servers.
a client complained the other day that his server was not doing well, and
after visiting his server i saw why.
what a shame this is.
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Message: 1
Subject: RE: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:59:30 -0500
From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie theater,
th=
ey're built into the film (client side). Without the movie theaters
Hollyw=
ood has no outlet for their films and without the servers Valve has no
outl=
et for their MP games.
Bottom line... your server is the equivalent of the screen in a movie
theat=
er. Valve's movie is playing on your projector. There is only one Valve
b=
ut an almost limitless number of projectors... those currently in
operation=
and those that will take their place in the event the current projectors
(=
servers) drop out.
TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The original game was so
g=
ood that it's carried them well past what would normally be considered a
re=
asonable product life. Valve must evolve or go the way of Acclaim
Entertai=
nment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
One thing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads are
purel=
y
client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have nothing to
d=
o
with providing them, control over them or with being involved with
promotin=
g
the ads or the ad content.
Even though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on maps
while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the ads will
never have any porn or abusive content.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 03:30:13 +1100
From: Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
Reply-To: [email protected]
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The Cinema is allowed to play their own ads and thereby generate revenue,
to
people brought to the Cinema by the movie made by Hollywood.
On 3/9/07, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie
> theater,
> they're built into the film (client side). Without the movie theaters
> Hollywood has no outlet for their films and without the servers Valve
has no
> outlet for their MP games.
>
> Bottom line... your server is the equivalent of the screen in a movie
> theater. Valve's movie is playing on your projector. There is only
> one
> Valve but an almost limitless number of projectors... those currently
> in
> operation and those that will take their place in the event the current
> projectors (servers) drop out.
>
> TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The original game was
so
> good that it's carried them well past what would normally be considered
a
> reasonable product life. Valve must evolve or go the way of Acclaim
> Entertainment.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
>
>
> One thing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads are
> purely
> client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have nothing
to
> do
> with providing them, control over them or with being involved with
> promoting
> the ads or the ad content.
>
> Even though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on
> maps
> while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the ads
> will
> never have any porn or abusive content.
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:10:20 +0300
From: "Roman Hatsiev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
Reply-To: [email protected]
The only difference is that in our case Valve sells tickets to our
theaters=
...
On 08/03/07, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie
> theater,
=
they're built into the film (client side). Without the movie theaters
Holl=
ywood has no outlet for their films and without the servers Valve has no
ou=
tlet for their MP games.
>
> Bottom line... your server is the equivalent of the screen in a movie
the=
ater. Valve's movie is playing on your projector. There is only one
Valve=
but an almost limitless number of projectors... those currently in
operati=
on and those that will take their place in the event the current
projectors=
(servers) drop out.
>
> TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The original game was
so=
good that it's carried them well past what would normally be considered
a
=
reasonable product life. Valve must evolve or go the way of Acclaim
Entert=
ainment.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
>
>
> One thing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads are
pur=
ely
> client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have nothing
to=
do
> with providing them, control over them or with being involved with
promot=
ing
> the ads or the ad content.
>
> Even though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on
> maps
> while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the ads
> will
> never have any porn or abusive content.
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:17:47 -0600
From: Cc2iscooL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
Reply-To: [email protected]
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No, actually they're putting the ads in our theaters.
Selling tickets to the theaters would equate to Valve charging a fee for
people to join servers.
Just wanted to point that one out. =)
On 3/8/07, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The only difference is that in our case Valve sells tickets to our
> theaters...
>
> On 08/03/07, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie
theater,
> they're built into the film (client side). Without the movie theaters
> Hollywood has no outlet for their films and without the servers Valve
has no
> outlet for their MP games.
> >
> > Bottom line... your server is the equivalent of the screen in a movie
> theater. Valve's movie is playing on your projector. There is only
> one
> Valve but an almost limitless number of projectors... those currently
> in
> operation and those that will take their place in the event the current
> projectors (servers) drop out.
> >
> > TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The original game
> > was
> so good that it's carried them well past what would normally be
considered a
> reasonable product life. Valve must evolve or go the way of Acclaim
> Entertainment.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
> >
> >
> > One thing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads are
> purely
> > client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have
> > nothing
> to do
> > with providing them, control over them or with being involved with
> promoting
> > the ads or the ad content.
> >
> > Even though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on
maps
> > while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the ads
will
> > never have any porn or abusive content.
> >
> >
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> > archives,
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Message: 5
From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:21:28 -0000
Subject: [hlds] Voice and Voice text improvements.
Reply-To: [email protected]
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Where's the BETA?
Gabe, Doug, Alfred
Any improvements to Source, mean absolutely NOTHING but blood, sweat,
tears
and heartache for us server operators unless there is a beta. I thought
we
was getting somewhere with this point. I thought you guys had taken
onboard
our concerns regarding updates to Source.
But it seems you're not listening.
If you're going to cause me problems on every update and you're not going
to
listen to concerns of server operators. Why should I should bother
running
servers which are running Source? Why not build my community around
servers
that I know I can keep running without being sabotaged by the very people
who make the game?
If there has been a beta going on for the improved voice and text, that I
am
not aware of, then please accept my apologies. But if you haven't done a
beta program and you are just going to dump this update on us tomorrow,
then
us server operators are one step closer to finding different games to
host.
Chris Barnett
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Message: 6
From: "J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 12:43:59 -0500
Organization: Hi-Definition Gaming LLC
Reply-To: [email protected]
Not quite. Valve would be selling tickets to enter the theater showing
VALVe "movies", once inside they still have to pay us to get into the
theater. So they would be making cash on the entry for the 'theater' and
for the ad impressions for those who pay us to host their "movie". I
hate
metaphors.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cc2iscooL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
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[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] No, actually they're
putting the ads in our theaters.
Selling tickets to the theaters would equate to Valve charging a fee for
people to join servers.
Just wanted to point that one out. =)
On 3/8/07, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The only difference is that in our case Valve sells tickets to our
> theaters...
>
> On 08/03/07, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie
> > theater,
> they're built into the film (client side). Without the movie theaters
> Hollywood has no outlet for their films and without the servers Valve
> has no outlet for their MP games.
> >
> > Bottom line... your server is the equivalent of the screen in a
> > movie
> theater. Valve's movie is playing on your projector. There is only
> one Valve but an almost limitless number of projectors... those
> currently in operation and those that will take their place in the
> event the current projectors (servers) drop out.
> >
> > TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The original game
> > was
> so good that it's carried them well past what would normally be
> considered a reasonable product life. Valve must evolve or go the way
> of Acclaim Entertainment.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
> >
> >
> > One thing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads
> > are
> purely
> > client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have
> > nothing
> to do
> > with providing them, control over them or with being involved with
> promoting
> > the ads or the ad content.
> >
> > Even though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on
> > maps while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the
> > ads will never have any porn or abusive content.
> >
> >
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Message: 7
From: "Jason O. Washburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 12:31:51 -0600
Reply-To: [email protected]
:-(
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roman Hatsiev
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 11:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
The only difference is that in our case Valve sells tickets to our
theaters...
On 08/03/07, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie
> theater, they're built into the film (client side). Without the movie
> theaters Hollywood has no outlet for their films and without the
> servers Valve has no outlet for their MP games.
>
> Bottom line... your server is the equivalent of the screen in a movie
> theater. Valve's movie is playing on your projector. There is only
> one Valve but an almost limitless number of projectors... those
> currently in operation and those that will take their place in the
> event the current projectors (servers) drop out.
>
> TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The original game was
> so good that it's carried them well past what would normally be
> considered a reasonable product life. Valve must evolve or go the way
> of Acclaim Entertainment.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
>
>
> One thing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads are
> purely client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have
> nothing to do with providing them, control over them or with being
> involved with promoting the ads or the ad content.
>
> Even though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on
> maps while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the
> ads will never have any porn or abusive content.
>
>
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Message: 8
From: Gigabit Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 19:10:52 +0000
Reply-To: [email protected]
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I'd say it's more like renting a TV & DVD player.
You buy the movie from Valve, you rent the TV & DVD player from the
server
=
operators. You can play the Valve movie on the server admins TV &DVD
player=
, but the people who rent you the TV & DVD player can't put ads into the
Va=
lve movies.
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> Subject:
> RE:
=
[hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007
12:43:59 -=
0500> > Not quite. Valve would be selling tickets to enter the theater
show=
ing> VALVe "movies", once inside they still have to pay us to get into
the>=
theater. So they would be making cash on the entry for the 'theater'
and>
=
for the ad impressions for those who pay us to host their "movie". I
hate>
=
metaphors.> > -----Original Message-----> From: Cc2iscooL
[mailto:cc2iscool=
@gmail.com]> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:18 PM> To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?> > -->
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putti=
ng the ads in our theaters.> > Selling tickets to the theaters would
equate=
to Valve charging a fee for> people to join servers.> > Just wanted to
poi=
nt that one out. =3D)> > On 3/8/07, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote=
:> >> > The only difference is that in our case Valve sells tickets to
our>=
> theaters...> >> > On 08/03/07, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>
=
> Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie> > >
the=
ater,> > they're built into the film (client side). Without the movie
theat=
ers> > Hollywood has no outlet for their films and without the servers
Valv=
e> > has no outlet for their MP games.> > >> > > Bottom line... your
server=
is the equivalent of the screen in a> > > movie> > theater. Valve's
movie
=
is playing on your projector. There is only> > one Valve but an almost
limi=
tless number of projectors... those> > currently in operation and those
tha=
t will take their place in the> > event the current projectors (servers)
dr=
op out.> > >> > > TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The
origi=
nal game> > > was> > so good that it's carried them well past what would
no=
rmally be> > considered a reasonable product life. Valve must evolve or
go
=
the way> > of Acclaim Entertainment.> > >> > >> > > -----Original
Message--=
---> > > From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent:
W=
ednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM> > > To: [email protected]> >
>
=
Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?> > >> > >> > > One
t=
hing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads> > > are> >
pu=
rely> > > client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have>
=
> nothing> > to do> > > with providing them, control over them or with
bei=
ng involved with> > promoting> > > the ads or the ad content.> > >> > >
Eve=
n though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on> > >
maps
=
while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the> > > ads
wi=
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