Dan E wrote:
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Honestly, you are not helping the situation. If you don't like the bickering,
there's always the delete button. But, you decided to make matters worse with
a rather long (and somewhat redundant) email complaining about people who are
complaining. Not to mention, you speak of ignorance when you yourself are
being ignorant of the subject; there were legit server plugins that were doing
this without the modifications of the server bins.
People are asking a reasonable question: Why impose just a 24 player limit and
not let the server admins choose? All Valve has to do is release a statement
on it. And it does have something to do with servers: when a plugin is being
run to cause 32 player servers not to show up, your server will not get seen at
all, therefore not played on. Personally, I have not played the game nor run
the client, but this is getting ridiculous.
And IMO, from a bystander's point on the situation, you appear more from the Steam forums
than anybody else has. Especially with that "I'm right and I'm not listening to
anything else you have to say lalalalala" at the end.
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Your missing a whole load of points. This is ..and I will say it again ... a
HLDS mailing list, Half-Life Dedicated server mailing list. It's not a forum
where you can join in and browse at leasure easily, not something you can
search/find when your looking for specific help. Your sending out spam to a
mailing list full of people who couldnt care less about an un-supported
modification to TF2.
And your probelm......Its a filter in the STEAM CLIENT right? IS that part of HLDS? Not
its not is it right? For the record you do know the difference between the Steam Client
and HLDS dont you? if you dont and think dedicated servers are mostly run through the
steam client on the "dedicated" button I suggest you look into the matter
further before responding.
The changes which valve have decided to filter out in their STEAM CLIENT
(Client being that nice little gui that runs on your home pc when you connect
to your dedicated server remotely) were neither supported or approved so why
should they listen to DEMANDS on why they decided to pull the plug on it, if
they wanted to say somethign they would have, they havent so moaning and
whining on about it serves what purpose exactly?
Exactly the mentaility you get on the steam forums.. whine whine I DEMAND a
right to know ... NO WE ARE RIGHT I WONT SHUTUP... for the love of money
someone save me!
So to bring to an end, your spamming us about something thats changed in the
client in relation to a hacked un-supported modded server binarys which are
neither approved OR supported by valve.
A change in the Client that people have rightly pointed out neither stops you
running the server, administrating the server, or joining the server therefor
highly worthy of flooding the mailing list with post about right?
Then when people pointed this out nicely that perhaps you shouldnt be posting this
here, nor demanding an answer people got the hump and started ranting off stating we
demand answers. Well good luck, if thats the tone you wish to adopt then kindly do it on
the forums where "problems" like this SHOULD be posted and not spamming us with
things that matter not to us. If you cant see the difference between the HLDS mailing
list and the steam forums then its pointless me even saying another word to you because
its obvious to all of us who is posting whining pointless spam in the wrong place.
PS lets net get childish about it, I never said I couldnt run a 32 man server
I simply stated I didnt want to hack the server bins because I felt 24 player
slots was plenrty. I have 13 TF2 servers with space to run another 5/6 if I
wanted, I could quite easily run a 32 man server if I wanted.
Really if this is the type of reply your going to come up with then ill say
it again you really really really are in the wrong place pal and all I can say
is the mailing is worst off for it.
I should not have to justify anything to anyone for conclusions they have
drawn, I wont let myself be drawn further on such purile comments :)
PPS I appreciate my comments are neither helping and equally contributing to
the spam so as far as I am concerned on this subject im saying no more, if you
cant see the logic in this post then its really not worth another moment of my
time!
John
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Doesn't sound like whining to me, its not unreasonable to expect to be
told whats in the contents of an update or the rational for making the
decision for locking the slots to 24 players, neither of which has
been provided in the last update(FYI No hexing of dll's was actually
required to run 32man as a helpful mod was actually posted to this
list) ..
If the next update stopped you from kicking & banning players & there
was no announcement or any reason provided most you would be mortified
& whining like somebody who passed out last night & awoke to find a
limb removed.
.. Just because either you have no wish to run or don't have the
resources available to run a 32 man TF2 server doesn't mean the rest
of us cannot discuss the matter here, which is after all what this
list is about, to support each other & not have trolling matches....
We just want some replies from Valve.. as they have been oh so quiet
on this list since the last update came out, I'm hoping Alfred or one
of the other guys from Valve might actually comment, rather than the
quit whining brigade who are just spamming the list with unhelpful
comments.
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The mailing list is as good of a place to discuss this sort of thing
just as much as the forums. Because it affects not just players but also
server admins because we are the ones running the servers and choosing
to run possibly unstable software, no reason valve should take it upon
themselves to blacklist such a feature when in almost everycase it
worked perfectly fine
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