Thanks Dan.
It's nice to hear from someone who is neutral in the matter but obviously
gets the point.
I think I speak for some (note: not all but some) of us when I say that we
understand Valve is not obligated to tell us why they do these things. But
it sure would be nice. We do think it is unfair when they supposedly support
the mod community but when someone comes out with a simple plugin to deal
with the small matter of allowing more players than was originally intended,
they kill it from the Steam Master Server List.
And as usual the modding community has obviously come up with a few options.
Earlier today I saw several 32 slot servers, on the list including the
SourceOP one (the guys who made the plugin in the first place) Kudos! and a
255 slot server filled with bots. LOL...
John, this is a SERVER related issue, as it directly affects the way we want
to run our servers.
It's not a client side filter it's Steam Master Server List filter.
Earlier today I started up a new 32 slot server to see if it would show up
(now that I see others there again) The master servers replied with:
Your server is out of date. Please update and restart.
Well, for the heck of it I did run update, it was completely up to date as I
already knew.
Restarted and it say's the same thing. Changed it to 24 slots the message
went away... Back to 32 where it is now and the message is back.
It's definitely the Steam Master Server List that is doing the filtering...
Mike ParaDOX
www.paradisesgarage.com
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan E
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
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[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Honestly, you are not
helping the situation. If you don't like the bickering, there's always the
delete button. But, you decided to make matters worse with a rather long
(and somewhat redundant) email complaining about people who are complaining.
Not to mention, you speak of ignorance when you yourself are being ignorant
of the subject; there were legit server plugins that were doing this without
the modifications of the server bins.
People are asking a reasonable question: Why impose just a 24 player limit
and not let the server admins choose? All Valve has to do is release a
statement on it. And it does have something to do with servers: when a
plugin is being run to cause 32 player servers not to show up, your server
will not get seen at all, therefore not played on. Personally, I have not
played the game nor run the client, but this is getting ridiculous.
And IMO, from a bystander's point on the situation, you appear more from the
Steam forums than anybody else has. Especially with that "I'm right and I'm
not listening to anything else you have to say lalalalala" at the end.
John Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from
multipart/alternative ] Your missing a whole load of points. This is ..and
I will say it again ... a HLDS mailing list, Half-Life Dedicated server
mailing list. It's not a forum where you can join in and browse at leasure
easily, not something you can search/find when your looking for specific
help. Your sending out spam to a mailing list full of people who couldnt
care less about an un-supported modification to TF2.
And your probelm......Its a filter in the STEAM CLIENT right? IS that part
of HLDS? Not its not is it right? For the record you do know the difference
between the Steam Client and HLDS dont you? if you dont and think dedicated
servers are mostly run through the steam client on the "dedicated" button I
suggest you look into the matter further before responding.
The changes which valve have decided to filter out in their STEAM CLIENT
(Client being that nice little gui that runs on your home pc when you
connect to your dedicated server remotely) were neither supported or
approved so why should they listen to DEMANDS on why they decided to pull
the plug on it, if they wanted to say somethign they would have, they havent
so moaning and whining on about it serves what purpose exactly?
Exactly the mentaility you get on the steam forums.. whine whine I DEMAND
a right to know ... NO WE ARE RIGHT I WONT SHUTUP... for the love of money
someone save me!
So to bring to an end, your spamming us about something thats changed in
the client in relation to a hacked un-supported modded server binarys which
are neither approved OR supported by valve.
A change in the Client that people have rightly pointed out neither stops
you running the server, administrating the server, or joining the server
therefor highly worthy of flooding the mailing list with post about right?
Then when people pointed this out nicely that perhaps you shouldnt be
posting this here, nor demanding an answer people got the hump and started
ranting off stating we demand answers. Well good luck, if thats the tone you
wish to adopt then kindly do it on the forums where "problems" like this
SHOULD be posted and not spamming us with things that matter not to us. If
you cant see the difference between the HLDS mailing list and the steam
forums then its pointless me even saying another word to you because its
obvious to all of us who is posting whining pointless spam in the wrong
place.
PS lets net get childish about it, I never said I couldnt run a 32 man
server I simply stated I didnt want to hack the server bins because I felt
24 player slots was plenrty. I have 13 TF2 servers with space to run
another 5/6 if I wanted, I could quite easily run a 32 man server if I
wanted.
Really if this is the type of reply your going to come up with then ill
say it again you really really really are in the wrong place pal and all I
can say is the mailing is worst off for it.
I should not have to justify anything to anyone for conclusions they have
drawn, I wont let myself be drawn further on such purile comments :)
PPS I appreciate my comments are neither helping and equally contributing
to the spam so as far as I am concerned on this subject im saying no more,
if you cant see the logic in this post then its really not worth another
moment of my time!
John
[You said]
Doesn't sound like whining to me, its not unreasonable to expect to be
told whats in the contents of an update or the rational for making the
decision for locking the slots to 24 players, neither of which has been
provided in the last update(FYI No hexing of dll's was actually required to
run 32man as a helpful mod was actually posted to this
list) ..
If the next update stopped you from kicking & banning players & there was no
announcement or any reason provided most you would be mortified & whining
like somebody who passed out last night & awoke to find a limb removed.
.. Just because either you have no wish to run or don't have the resources
available to run a 32 man TF2 server doesn't mean the rest of us cannot
discuss the matter here, which is after all what this list is about, to
support each other & not have trolling matches....
We just want some replies from Valve.. as they have been oh so quiet on this
list since the last update came out, I'm hoping Alfred or one of the other
guys from Valve might actually comment, rather than the quit whining brigade
who are just spamming the list with unhelpful comments.
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