I think they should at least explain why they decided to not show > 24 player servers.
And if its permanent or not. That's not too much to ask for. It's their silence in the issue that has people going around and doing workarounds. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Shelley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 4:50 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that and the other. Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and whinning like female dogs. Get some f***ing perspective ffs. On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi > is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is > the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, > > there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up > > "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada > > yada" > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I > did post something like that yesterday :( > > > As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what > > Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they > > are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why > > they are removing servers from the list? > I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve > might > do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, > people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think > randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn > round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to > OB source). > > > With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers > > from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed > > because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod > > plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we > > have to assume that any plugin is a risk. > Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) > > > It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list > > removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because > > they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves > > list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? > Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start > pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they obviously > dont > want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone says) well within > their right to stop supporting them. Note they are NOT killing the servers > - > simply removing them from the lists.... There may still be a deeper reason > for it to be pulled. > As a server admin I am not going to be scared to put mods on - and if I do > and the server disappears from the list I will remove the mods (and > probably > bitch to high heaven about it if I feel it is unfair). > Your right though there are those that will be scared though - should we > not > be reassuring them rather than bitching at Valve who are obviously > deliberately not replying. If they remove more servers - then is the time > to > worry IMO and hit them with all the force the community has got. > > > If you are happy with running 7 vanilla servers for the next 5 years, > > good for you. I'm not doing it and there are loads of others who > > won't. I'll feel sorry for you, when years down the line, they are all > > broken overnight, because Valve had petty reasons they deemed more > > important than you and your gaming community. > I don't see it - there is worry over CSS servers all the time (I have run > 10 > of those for a long while by the way) - not to the same level agreed - and > they have not died a major death. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > > Sent: 15 October 2007 18:21 > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be discussed > > then lets at least do it sensibly. > > > > Anyway..... > > > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods from the > > lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods that allow 32 > > players. > > It > > occurs to me they must have a reason for this (it is not as if it > > appears to be a particularly harmful mod). > > > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing servers running > > any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far > > there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from Valve. Either > > they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the > > silence. There could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 > > man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never know. If not > > being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running > > servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is putting many > > players off the game because they can only play with 24 people I have > > no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. > > > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being - it's > > not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to getting > > what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods going :) I > > have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for another) and > > they are all starting to hit their maxes - so it is going well. The > > 7th server I launched yesterday as the others were getting full. > > That's working out as better solution for the communities than 6 32 > > man servers actually. > > Tom > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM > > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > >> Oh and Jonathon, > >> > >> Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken note. When > >> you're server and you're community is affected by Valves heavy handed > >> arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. > >> > >> You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. > >> Soooooooooooo..... > >> > >> What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? > >> > >> What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? > >> > >> TF2. R.I.P. > >> > >> > >> Chris. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan > >> Leissler > >> Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 > >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > >> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > >> > >> I think people just need to grow up. > >> > >> Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. They can > >> and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never > >> intended (at this > >> time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. > >> They have the right to do so. > >> > >> Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do > >> anything. > >> > >> > >> --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> -- > >>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Supposed to be > >>> funny ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> zzzZZZzzz > >>> > >>> On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > >>> > -- > >>> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will > >>> randomly filter out next, > >>> > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's > >>> those pesky Australians > >>> > who > >>> > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be > >>> embarrassing for Valve. Those > >>> > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter > >>> balance all of that > >>> > Pacific rimming that's going on. > >>> > > >>> > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number > >>> of players with 8 > >>> > digits. > >>> > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all > >>> noobs, snotty nosed > >>> > teenagers and haxors. > >>> > > >>> > 3) Servers outside the Western United States > >>> that have an unusually > >>> > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server > >>> attracts the old and > >>> > wise, > >>> > they're community is going to be too smug. > >>> > > >>> > 4) Servers running FF. > >>> > > >>> > 5) Servers that sends the player into a > >>> different world where there > >>> > is > >>> > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been > >>> sad enough to invest 500 > >>> > odd > >>> > man hours into creating a work of art, not to > >>> mention the modding > >>> > communities whose total output dwarfs anything > >>> that has come out of Valve. > >>> > > >>> > 6) Servers that attract the top players. > >>> C'mon something has to be > >>> > wrong, they're all hacking. > >>> > > >>> > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No > >>> scrub that, they're all in > >>> > Washington State. > >>> > > >>> > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, > >>> which lies about the > >>> > total > >>> > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 > >>> are advertised!!! > >>> > > >>> > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for > >>> minors. > >>> > > >>> > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say > >>> "Valve doesn't listen to > >>> > server admins" as their server name. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > >>> view the list archives, > >>> > please visit: > >>> > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> ... black holes are where god divided by zero. > >>> -- > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > >>> the list archives, please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > >> ________ > >> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > >> that gives answers, not web links. > >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
