This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mike Munoz wrote: > The Silence from Valve is deafening... > > > Mike ParaDOX > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi is > behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is the > Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling > halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve > forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. > > Chris. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton > Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the > steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > >> I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, >> there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up >> "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada >> yada" >> > > Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I > did post something like that yesterday :( > > >> As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what >> Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they >> are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why >> they are removing servers from the list? >> > I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve might > do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, > people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think > randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn > round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to > OB source). > > >> With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers >> from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed >> because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod >> plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we >> have to assume that any plugin is a risk. >> > Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) > > >> It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list >> removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because >> they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves >> list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? >> > Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start > pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they obviously dont > want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone says) well within > their right to stop supporting them. Note they are NOT killing the servers - > simply removing them from the lists.... There may still be a deeper reason > for it to be pulled. > As a server admin I am not going to be scared to put mods on - and if I do > and the server disappears from the list I will remove the mods (and probably > bitch to high heaven about it if I feel it is unfair). > Your right though there are those that will be scared though - should we not > be reassuring them rather than bitching at Valve who are obviously > deliberately not replying. If they remove more servers - then is the time to > worry IMO and hit them with all the force the community has got. > > >> If you are happy with running 7 vanilla servers for the next 5 years, >> good for you. I'm not doing it and there are loads of others who >> won't. I'll feel sorry for you, when years down the line, they are all >> broken overnight, because Valve had petty reasons they deemed more >> important than you and your gaming community. >> > I don't see it - there is worry over CSS servers all the time (I have run 10 > of those for a long while by the way) - not to the same level agreed - and > they have not died a major death. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton >> Sent: 15 October 2007 18:21 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from >> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be discussed >> then lets at least do it sensibly. >> >> Anyway..... >> >> Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods from the >> lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods that allow 32 >> players. >> It >> occurs to me they must have a reason for this (it is not as if it >> appears to be a particularly harmful mod). >> >> I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing servers running >> any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far >> there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from Valve. Either >> they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the >> silence. There could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 >> man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). >> >> Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never know. If not >> being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running >> servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is putting many >> players off the game because they can only play with 24 people I have >> no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. >> >> Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being - it's >> not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to getting >> what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods going :) I >> have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for another) and >> they are all starting to hit their maxes - so it is going well. The >> 7th server I launched yesterday as the others were getting full. >> That's working out as better solution for the communities than 6 32 >> man servers actually. >> Tom >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from >> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> >>> Oh and Jonathon, >>> >>> Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken note. When >>> you're server and you're community is affected by Valves heavy handed >>> arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. >>> >>> You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. >>> Soooooooooooo..... >>> >>> What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? >>> >>> What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? >>> >>> TF2. R.I.P. >>> >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan >>> Leissler >>> Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from >>> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >>> >>> I think people just need to grow up. >>> >>> Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. They can >>> and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never >>> intended (at this >>> time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. >>> They have the right to do so. >>> >>> Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do >>> anything. >>> >>> >>> --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Supposed to be >>>> funny ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> zzzZZZzzz >>>> >>>> On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is a multipart message in MIME format. >>>>> -- >>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let's run a book on which servers Valve will >>>>> >>>> randomly filter out next, >>>> >>>>> without even so much as the decency to tell us. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's >>>>> >>>> those pesky Australians >>>> >>>>> who >>>>> are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be >>>>> >>>> embarrassing for Valve. Those >>>> >>>>> Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter >>>>> >>>> balance all of that >>>> >>>>> Pacific rimming that's going on. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Servers that have an unusually high number >>>>> >>>> of players with 8 >>>> >>>>> digits. >>>>> Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all >>>>> >>>> noobs, snotty nosed >>>> >>>>> teenagers and haxors. >>>>> >>>>> 3) Servers outside the Western United States >>>>> >>>> that have an unusually >>>> >>>>> high number of players with 6 digits. If a server >>>>> >>>> attracts the old and >>>> >>>>> wise, >>>>> they're community is going to be too smug. >>>>> >>>>> 4) Servers running FF. >>>>> >>>>> 5) Servers that sends the player into a >>>>> >>>> different world where there >>>> >>>>> is >>>>> 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been >>>>> >>>> sad enough to invest 500 >>>> >>>>> odd >>>>> man hours into creating a work of art, not to >>>>> >>>> mention the modding >>>> >>>>> communities whose total output dwarfs anything >>>>> >>>> that has come out of Valve. >>>> >>>>> 6) Servers that attract the top players. >>>>> >>>> C'mon something has to be >>>> >>>>> wrong, they're all hacking. >>>>> >>>>> 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No >>>>> >>>> scrub that, they're all in >>>> >>>>> Washington State. >>>>> >>>>> 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, >>>>> >>>> which lies about the >>>> >>>>> total >>>>> number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 >>>>> >>>> are advertised!!! >>>> >>>>> 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for >>>>> >>>> minors. >>>> >>>>> 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say >>>>> >>>> "Valve doesn't listen to >>>> >>>>> server admins" as their server name. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or >>>>> >>>> view the list archives, >>>> >>>>> please visit: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ... black holes are where god divided by zero. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view >>>> the list archives, please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ____________________________________________________________________________ > >>> ________ >>> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search >>> that gives answers, not web links. >>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > they have to find the best way to bash us --
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