This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Patrick Shelley wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that > and the other. > > Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and > whinning like female dogs. > > Get some f***ing perspective ffs. > > > On 10/15/07, Mike Munoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The Silence from Valve is deafening... >> >> >> Mike ParaDOX >> >> www.paradisesgarage.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett >> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the >> steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> Valve "publicity" ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi >> is >> behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is >> the >> Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling >> halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve >> forums. The sooner Valve get's shot of Lombardi better. >> >> Chris. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton >> Sent: 15 October 2007 19:16 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the >> steam master servers, without any annoucment. >> >> >> >>> I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, >>> there is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up >>> "Quit whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada >>> yada" >>> >> Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I >> did post something like that yesterday :( >> >> >>> As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what >>> Valve was going to do then, so what makes you think you know what they >>> are going to do tomorrow, with regards for the "RANDOM REASON" to why >>> they are removing servers from the list? >>> >> I dont think it's fair to hang this up with totally random stuff Valve >> might >> do.. It's not like it was totally unexpected, the hack / mod surfaced, >> people got excited and Valve publicly weren't happy with it. I dont think >> randomly killed is fair - perhaps unexpectedly. They are NOT going to turn >> round tomorrow and kill Eventscripts or MM:S and so on.. (when they get to >> OB source). >> >> >>> With regards to metamod source. They might not remove metamod servers >>> from the list, but you might find that your server has been removed >>> because Valve didn't like a side effect of a particular metamod >>> plugin. If they don't give us a clue as to what the rules are, then we >>> have to assume that any plugin is a risk. >>> >> Sorry that was a joke - Im not MM:S fan :) >> >> >>> It doesn't matter how valid anyone thinks any reason the master list >>> removal is. If server admins become scared to install plugins, because >>> they don't know whether that plugin will incur the wrath of valves >>> list server, then why bother writing and installing plugins? >>> >> Yes, and also no. This is 1 thing that has been pulled. If Valve start >> pulling more I will reverse my opinion. But in this case they obviously >> dont >> want 32 man servers and are (regardless of what anyone says) well within >> their right to stop supporting them. Note they are NOT killing the servers >> - >> simply removing them from the lists.... There may still be a deeper reason >> for it to be pulled. >> As a server admin I am not going to be scared to put mods on - and if I do >> and the server disappears from the list I will remove the mods (and >> probably >> bitch to high heaven about it if I feel it is unfair). >> Your right though there are those that will be scared though - should we >> not >> be reassuring them rather than bitching at Valve who are obviously >> deliberately not replying. If they remove more servers - then is the time >> to >> worry IMO and hit them with all the force the community has got. >> >> >>> If you are happy with running 7 vanilla servers for the next 5 years, >>> good for you. I'm not doing it and there are loads of others who >>> won't. I'll feel sorry for you, when years down the line, they are all >>> broken overnight, because Valve had petty reasons they deemed more >>> important than you and your gaming community. >>> >> I don't see it - there is worry over CSS servers all the time (I have run >> 10 >> of those for a long while by the way) - not to the same level agreed - and >> they have not died a major death. >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton >>> Sent: 15 October 2007 18:21 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from >>> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >>> >>> There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be discussed >>> then lets at least do it sensibly. >>> >>> Anyway..... >>> >>> Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods from the >>> lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods that allow 32 >>> players. >>> It >>> occurs to me they must have a reason for this (it is not as if it >>> appears to be a particularly harmful mod). >>> >>> I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing servers running >>> any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far >>> there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from Valve. Either >>> they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the >>> silence. There could still be a very valid reason for removing the 32 >>> man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). >>> >>> Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never know. If not >>> being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running >>> servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is putting many >>> players off the game because they can only play with 24 people I have >>> no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. >>> >>> Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being - it's >>> not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to getting >>> what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods going :) I >>> have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for another) and >>> they are all starting to hit their maxes - so it is going well. The >>> 7th server I launched yesterday as the others were getting full. >>> That's working out as better solution for the communities than 6 32 >>> man servers actually. >>> Tom >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from >>> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >>> >>> >>>> Oh and Jonathon, >>>> >>>> Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken note. When >>>> you're server and you're community is affected by Valves heavy handed >>>> arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. >>>> >>>> You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. >>>> Soooooooooooo..... >>>> >>>> What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? >>>> >>>> What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? >>>> >>>> TF2. R.I.P. >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan >>>> Leissler >>>> Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from >>>> the steam master servers, without any annoucment. >>>> >>>> I think people just need to grow up. >>>> >>>> Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. They can >>>> and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never >>>> intended (at this >>>> time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. >>>> They have the right to do so. >>>> >>>> Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing you to do >>>> anything. >>>> >>>> >>>> --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Supposed to be >>>>> funny ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> zzzZZZzzz >>>>> >>>>> On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is a multipart message in MIME format. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's run a book on which servers Valve will >>>>>> >>>>> randomly filter out next, >>>>> >>>>>> without even so much as the decency to tell us. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's >>>>>> >>>>> those pesky Australians >>>>> >>>>>> who >>>>>> are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be >>>>>> >>>>> embarrassing for Valve. Those >>>>> >>>>>> Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter >>>>>> >>>>> balance all of that >>>>> >>>>>> Pacific rimming that's going on. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Servers that have an unusually high number >>>>>> >>>>> of players with 8 >>>>> >>>>>> digits. >>>>>> Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all >>>>>> >>>>> noobs, snotty nosed >>>>> >>>>>> teenagers and haxors. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Servers outside the Western United States >>>>>> >>>>> that have an unusually >>>>> >>>>>> high number of players with 6 digits. If a server >>>>>> >>>>> attracts the old and >>>>> >>>>>> wise, >>>>>> they're community is going to be too smug. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4) Servers running FF. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5) Servers that sends the player into a >>>>>> >>>>> different world where there >>>>> >>>>>> is >>>>>> 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been >>>>>> >>>>> sad enough to invest 500 >>>>> >>>>>> odd >>>>>> man hours into creating a work of art, not to >>>>>> >>>>> mention the modding >>>>> >>>>>> communities whose total output dwarfs anything >>>>>> >>>>> that has come out of Valve. >>>>> >>>>>> 6) Servers that attract the top players. >>>>>> >>>>> C'mon something has to be >>>>> >>>>>> wrong, they're all hacking. >>>>>> >>>>>> 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No >>>>>> >>>>> scrub that, they're all in >>>>> >>>>>> Washington State. >>>>>> >>>>>> 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, >>>>>> >>>>> which lies about the >>>>> >>>>>> total >>>>>> number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 >>>>>> >>>>> are advertised!!! >>>>> >>>>>> 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for >>>>>> >>>>> minors. >>>>> >>>>>> 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say >>>>>> >>>>> "Valve doesn't listen to >>>>> >>>>>> server admins" as their server name. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or >>>>>> >>>>> view the list archives, >>>>> >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ... black holes are where god divided by zero. >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view >>>>> the list archives, please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> >>>> ________ >>>> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search >>>> that gives answers, not web links. >>>> http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > -- > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > Dude realize that valve is only around because they made an awesome game from customizing the quake engine.... --
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