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8. RE: TF2 Admin Plugin (Kerry Dorsey) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Kevin Ottalini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:35:14 -0700 Reply-To: [email protected] I think the issue here is this is a brand new mod (officially only HOURS old!) and the user experience needs to be uniform and "unpatched" as much as possible so Valve can calibrate the new engine before porting over all the other mods. Remember that the stats tracking system is brand new as well and hacking the maps and servers will throw off the baseline for stats, in some cases dramatically. Once the engine's behavior and quirks have been thoroughly hashed out, THEN is the time for allowing modifications like this but most certainly NOT by server admins hex editing server binaries. The developers at Valve had very good reasons to set the max number of players at 24, let's give them the a little credit and consideration here ok? In addition, one of the maps tc_hydro has potentially too many base entities for 32 players and could cause servers and clients to crash (but it seems ok with 24 players but might be right at the borderline). qUiCkSiLvEr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munoz" To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? > OUCH!!... > To actually go so far as to modify the server browser so that it won't > list 32 slot TF2 servers! --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jason O. Washburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:44:47 -0500 Reply-To: [email protected] I fully agree. Jason -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ottalini Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:35 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? I think the issue here is this is a brand new mod (officially only HOURS old!) and the user experience needs to be uniform and "unpatched" as much as possible so Valve can calibrate the new engine before porting over all the other mods. Remember that the stats tracking system is brand new as well and hacking the maps and servers will throw off the baseline for stats, in some cases dramatically. Once the engine's behavior and quirks have been thoroughly hashed out, THEN is the time for allowing modifications like this but most certainly NOT by server admins hex editing server binaries. The developers at Valve had very good reasons to set the max number of players at 24, let's give them the a little credit and consideration here ok? In addition, one of the maps tc_hydro has potentially too many base entities for 32 players and could cause servers and clients to crash (but it seems ok with 24 players but might be right at the borderline). qUiCkSiLvEr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munoz" To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? > OUCH!!... > To actually go so far as to modify the server browser so that it won't > list 32 slot TF2 servers! _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Whelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? To: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Amen... ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Ottalini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:35:14 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? I think the issue here is this is a brand new mod (officially only HOURS old!) and the user experience needs to be uniform and "unpatched" as much as possible so Valve can calibrate the new engine before porting over all the other mods. Remember that the stats tracking system is brand new as well and hacking the maps and servers will throw off the baseline for stats, in some cases dramatically. Once the engine's behavior and quirks have been thoroughly hashed out, THEN is the time for allowing modifications like this but most certainly NOT by server admins hex editing server binaries. The developers at Valve had very good reasons to set the max number of players at 24, let's give them the a little credit and consideration here ok? In addition, one of the maps tc_hydro has potentially too many base entities for 32 players and could cause servers and clients to crash (but it seems ok with 24 players but might be right at the borderline). qUiCkSiLvEr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munoz" To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? > OUCH!!... > To actually go so far as to modify the server browser so that it won't > list 32 slot TF2 servers! _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please
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http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 -- --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:38:23 -0700 (PDT) From: DontWannaName! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? To: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I say stop B*tching and they might get something done cause they wont have to
read all this nonsense/whining.
----- Original Message ---- From: Robert Whelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:13:53 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Amen... ----- Original Message ---- From: Kevin Ottalini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:35:14 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? I think the issue here is this is a brand new mod (officially only HOURS old!) and the user experience needs to be uniform and "unpatched" as much as possible so Valve can calibrate the new engine before porting over all the other mods. Remember that the stats tracking system is brand new as well and hacking the maps and servers will throw off the baseline for stats, in some cases dramatically. Once the engine's behavior and quirks have been thoroughly hashed out, THEN is the time for allowing modifications like this but most certainly NOT by server admins hex editing server binaries. The developers at Valve had very good reasons to set the max number of players at 24, let's give them the a little credit and consideration here ok? In addition, one of the maps tc_hydro has potentially too many base entities for 32 players and could cause servers and clients to crash (but it seems ok with 24 players but might be right at the borderline). qUiCkSiLvEr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munoz" To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? > OUCH!!... > To actually go so far as to modify the server browser so that it won't > list 32 slot TF2 servers! _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please
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http://sims.yahoo.com/ -- --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Tim Ling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:45:05 +0100 Reply-To: [email protected] While that may well be true, there are LOTS of 24 player servers running th= e base maps & config that Valve can use as a base line for monitoring. Surely leaving 32 player servers in wouldn't hurt them too much as they could do the filtering on their end. Plus if there were lots of issues with servers crashing, then those servers would end up empty, because people would get fed up with the crashes. Sil^ -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ottalini Sent: 11 October 2007 03:35 To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? I think the issue here is this is a brand new mod (officially only HOURS old!) and the user experience needs to be uniform and "unpatched" as much a= s possible so Valve can calibrate the new engine before porting over all the other mods. Remember that the stats tracking system is brand new as well and hacking th= e maps and servers will throw off the baseline for stats, in some cases dramatically. Once the engine's behavior and quirks have been thoroughly hashed out, THEN is the time for allowing modifications like this but most certainly NOT by server admins hex editing server binaries. The developers at Valve had very good reasons to set the max number of players at 24, let's give them the a little credit and consideration here ok? In addition, one of the maps tc_hydro has potentially too many base entitie= s for 32 players and could cause servers and clients to crash (but it seems o= k with 24 players but might be right at the borderline). qUiCkSiLvEr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munoz" To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? > OUCH!!... > To actually go so far as to modify the server browser so that it won't > list 32 slot TF2 servers! _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds <p><font size=3D"2">PRIVACY & CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE =09=09=09</font><font size=3D"-2">Information contained in this email and a= ny attachment is confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If yo= u are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. 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And all because of their own coding. nisbus Matthew Cheale wrote: > > Plus if there were lots of issues with servers crashing, then those > servers > > would end up empty, because people would get fed up with the crashes. > > And everyone would whine about Valve's shoddy coding reducing their > reputation > and all because of 3rd party modifications... > > -- > With regards, > > Matthew Cheale > > > +44 (0)56 000 36985 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ================================================ > This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. > and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. 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Kerry "Boogieman" Dorsey -> -----Original Message----- -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray -> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 4:16 PM -> To: [email protected] -> Subject: [hlds] TF2 Admin Plugin -> -> If any server op needs an admin plugin.. -> Ive got a minimal version working -> with kick,ban,chat, centersay,bottomsay and -> classlimits etc -> -> get it at http://www.beetlesmod.com -> -> -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, -> please visit: -> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds --__--__-- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please
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