This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- This so-called PR and education effort is a barely noticeable url on the custom tab page. Therefore, a user is not get pr'ed or educated if they don't even click on the custom tab in the first place and from experience, they don't. The custom tab is practically useless against non vanilla TF2 servers running mods that do not change any of the watched cvar, for example, sudden death melee, ammo/medpaks drops.
----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:44:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 update coming later today Hahahahahahhaha So is there a South Africa equivalent to Goodwin's Law? If so we just hit it. hahah server Apartheid that's awesome. > Its like server Apartheid. Why is it so hard to put everyone in one list > and let the player decide? This is ridiculous. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:40 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 update coming later today > > >> Everything needs to be moved to one tab with it defaulting to showing >> everything. >> >> Then let the player decide to filter out servers all on his own. >> >> This works both ways, the player that actively looks for a vanilla >> server, >> will find one easy. >> The player that just wants to find any server to play on, will find one >> easy. >> >> I doubt valve is even reading any of these messages, but if they are and >> they intend to put servers to a custom tab hardly anyone will see for >> any >> little change, expect a huge backlash because of it and expect that >> you'll >> have to spend more time solving the problem while making server >> administrators angry, or worse, taking down their servers and moving to >> other games. >> >> And about the delisting... >> >> If I programmatically strip the "increased_maxplayers" tag from my 24 >> player >> server and get delisted because of it, I won't be too happy. >> >> I was excited about the tags when they were first announced, it's too >> bad >> they have turned it into something quite lame with the 'secondary' list. >> >> And what about the primary list outside of the game? Do these show all >> servers or just servers that are "vanilla"? >> >> - voogru. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma >> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:20 PM >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 update coming later today >> >> I agree with this. There is already a filtering mechanism on the >> Internet >> tab. Why not just keep one tab and add the tags thing to the existing >> filters? This is how I imagined the tags would be implemented when it >> was >> first introduced and still makes the most sense to me. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong >> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:23 PM >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 update coming later today >> >> Yeah. >> >> I think the server tags thing can be made much nicer if the 'server >> tags' >> box was simply moved to the Internet tab, just allowing it as an extra >> filter. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Hartland >> Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 9:55 AM >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 update coming later today >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eric Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> We'll be doing some work to educate players on the new Custom servers >>> tab, using both PR and user interface changes. Now that the >>> Internet/Custom servers system is in place, we'd like server admin to >>> work within it. We'll be delisting servers with custom rule sets that >>> deliberately work around the system. >> >> Unfortunately we can tell you from many years of experience it doesn't >> matter how much PR or education you put behind something like this, >> it simply wont work as gamers are:- >> 1. Lazy >> 2. Creatures of habit >> 3. Quite stupid >> >> As I previously mentioned this is from bitter experience with Epic's >> failed attempt at a similar feature which was very much simpler, a >> tick box for "Standard servers only" that was selected by default. >> >> We look forward to the changes you propose to the UI and hope this >> takes into account the information we have all provided since its >> release. >> >> In short creating a single search interface which allows users to >> quickly and easily filter servers from a default show all list is >> the only option. Splitting XYZ servers over here and the rest over >> there is simply too confusing / complicated for your average joe. >> >> As an annalogy, you dont see Google only listing XHTML compliant web >> pages in their main search and forcing users to go another page to >> search all none conforming sites. Yes XHTML compliant sites will >> likely provide a better more consitent user experience, but when it >> all comes down to it 99% of users simply dont care. They want to >> sample whats out there, if they try something and it doesnt work >> for them they will go somewhere else. >> >> Regards >> Steve >> >> >> ================================================ >> This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and >> the >> person or entity to whom it is addressed. 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