Everything needs to be moved to one tab with it defaulting to showing everything.
Then let the player decide to filter out servers all on his own. This works both ways, the player that actively looks for a vanilla server, will find one easy. The player that just wants to find any server to play on, will find one easy. I doubt valve is even reading any of these messages, but if they are and they intend to put servers to a custom tab hardly anyone will see for any little change, expect a huge backlash because of it and expect that you'll have to spend more time solving the problem while making server administrators angry, or worse, taking down their servers and moving to other games. And about the delisting... If I programmatically strip the "increased_maxplayers" tag from my 24 player server and get delisted because of it, I won't be too happy. I was excited about the tags when they were first announced, it's too bad they have turned it into something quite lame with the 'secondary' list. And what about the primary list outside of the game? Do these show all servers or just servers that are "vanilla"? - voogru. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:20 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 update coming later today I agree with this. There is already a filtering mechanism on the Internet tab. Why not just keep one tab and add the tags thing to the existing filters? This is how I imagined the tags would be implemented when it was first introduced and still makes the most sense to me. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:23 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 update coming later today Yeah. I think the server tags thing can be made much nicer if the 'server tags' box was simply moved to the Internet tab, just allowing it as an extra filter. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Hartland Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 9:55 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 update coming later today ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > We'll be doing some work to educate players on the new Custom servers > tab, using both PR and user interface changes. Now that the > Internet/Custom servers system is in place, we'd like server admin to > work within it. We'll be delisting servers with custom rule sets that > deliberately work around the system. Unfortunately we can tell you from many years of experience it doesn't matter how much PR or education you put behind something like this, it simply wont work as gamers are:- 1. Lazy 2. Creatures of habit 3. Quite stupid As I previously mentioned this is from bitter experience with Epic's failed attempt at a similar feature which was very much simpler, a tick box for "Standard servers only" that was selected by default. We look forward to the changes you propose to the UI and hope this takes into account the information we have all provided since its release. In short creating a single search interface which allows users to quickly and easily filter servers from a default show all list is the only option. Splitting XYZ servers over here and the rest over there is simply too confusing / complicated for your average joe. As an annalogy, you dont see Google only listing XHTML compliant web pages in their main search and forcing users to go another page to search all none conforming sites. Yes XHTML compliant sites will likely provide a better more consitent user experience, but when it all comes down to it 99% of users simply dont care. 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