On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:56 AM, Richard Eid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Assume you own and operate a TF2 server. I thought the idea here was to ban > from your server(s) those people who've cheated in the past in other > non-Source games. After all, if they've been banned from VAC secured Source > engine servers, you'll not have to worry about them at all as they won't be > there. >
Exactly, that is the idea. > Also, what's the point of querying the SC pages every time when you could > pull from a local database that could be kept fairly up-to-date. > That is a way to do it, but then a database is of course needed and unless Valve is going to provide us with that building a database will take a lot of time unless you really want to hammer their servers. If vacbanned.com intend to provide such a service that would be great, but how long time will it take to check all steam accounts even once? A year maybe? > -Richard Eid > > > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Donnie Newlove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> The XML are very small and long from every server will use any plugin >> whatever it does. >> Then you could have the plugin save every non VAC banned ID in a >> database for two weeks or something before checking it again to >> decrease the load even more by caching the legitimate players. >> You could also make the plugin wait for a short amount of time before >> checking, like 5 minutes so that it only check players that is likely >> to stick around for a while. >> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Olly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I don't think valve would be too hot on a server plugin that queries the >> > community pages. (Especially with the number of servers there are :p) >> > >> > >> > 2008/10/19 Donnie Newlove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >> Thanks for the link, but I cant see how checking for bans at that site >> >> would be any better than at the source itself (which will always be up >> >> to date and proper), a plugin would just have too look for what the >> >> value of <vacBanned> is. >> >> But sure, if they periodically released a database with a plugin to >> >> read it or something like that it could be very useful, but still not >> >> as good as always getting it straight from Valve. >> >> >> >> Example, note that this profile is actually private: >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/id/76561197960265741?xml=1 >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Richard Eid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > You could always just periodically query this site. >> >> > >> >> > http://www.vacbanned.com >> >> > >> >> > It's not done yet and still has quite a ways to go, but you get the >> idea. >> >> > If a downloadable database were made available from there(when it's >> >> done), >> >> > in conjunction with a plug-in tailored specifically to query this >> >> database, >> >> > then you could effectively keep every single cheater/past-cheater off >> of >> >> > your servers. That site will be constantly querying Steam, so a >> >> > periodically updated database would seem easy to provide after the >> >> initial >> >> > round is done. >> >> > >> >> > This is a very interesting idea, but raises some serious questions. >> In >> >> the >> >> > end, I guess since they are your servers, you are free to keep out >> anyone >> >> > you please. >> >> > >> >> > -Richard Eid >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Donnie Newlove < >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> It has come to my understanding that VAC only bans for the engine >> that >> >> >> the cheat ran under when it very clearly states that it bans from all >> >> >> VAC secured servers but nothing about being game or engine specific. >> >> >> >> >> >> So now that steam community show the VAC status and the profiles can >> >> >> be viewed as XML, would it not be possible to create a sourcemod or >> >> >> metamod plugin that fetch the VAC status of joining players and ban >> >> >> them locally if the player is already VAC banned in goldsrc or >> source? >> >> >> Well, yes, of course it would and that would make VAC even more >> >> >> effective without being unreliable or unfair and the best thing of >> >> >> all, it will get rid of a lot of cheaters. Now I don't have any idea >> >> >> how to make plugins since I do not have programmer experience, but if >> >> >> anyone thinks this sounds like a good idea then please, feel free to >> >> >> do it or discuss it. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> >> >> please visit: >> >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
