You all don't understand! Is my english so bad?... if that is the problem then excuse me, i will no bother you anymore...
I am not doing this to justify nobody. I just do this to share with you this problematic, and to hear ideas to solve it. I am not explaining this situation for you to understand me. I am explaining this situation for you to help me to find a solution. I only hear critics, not any idea... - Its not about CS, its about HLDM... If you don't know what are you talking about, please read all first, and not give an opinion about something you have read partialy. - I dont "resell", i make easier to people with no credit card to buy the game. I never charge them anything extra for the service, it's uninterested help. - CS or any other game is not banned here. In Argentina banned games doesn't exist... There is no legislation about such things... You can see 6 years old kids playing Grand Theft Auto in ciber cafes... It sucks, but it's reality... Nobody cares about important legislation in this country... I could make you roll in the flor laughing, if i tell you some legislation projects of our country... All projects are for irelevant problematics... But it seems nobody in the government cares about REAL problems... - For who said that i "help those who bought pirate", you are wrong man... I dont help them... I help steam users who can't play in regional servers because they doesn't have anybody to play with. I dont like having to mantain a cracked server. But there is no choice. Everyday new people come to me to get their legit copy... They are not lots, they are just a few, but someday they will be sufficient to make my server the first legal Half-Life server in Argentina (There are 6 or 7 cracked servers, homemade and professional, but there isnt any original server because there is no people to play on it) Cracked servers sucks... It's full of cheaters because they cannot use VAC. It's full of noobs because people that just downloaded the pirate game joins to play. Also you cannot add "Steam friends" from a non-steam server and it sucks... And when valve launchs an update, you don't apear in master server list for a couple of weeks or months until someone makes a crack for new version. Having a cracked server sucks... but there is no another choice here... Believe me, if just, a few people at least to get an average of 3 or 4 players online all the time, have the original game. i will do a legal server... But READ THIS: ¡ONLY 6 PLAYERS IN WHOLE ARGENTINA HAVES LEGAL HLDM TROUGHT STEAM! One is me, 4 players got the game thanks to me, and 1 last boys bought his game by himself. There is one more boy waiting for me to buy the game for him, so we will be 7 now... Wow! Impressive!! 7 steam players... You cannot make a server for only 7 players to play unless they could play 24/7, LOL. I can give you their steam ids cause i know every steam player in the country and most of them has the game because i bought their games with my credit card and they returned me the money in efective. Finally when you rent a gameserver in Argentina it comes cracked by default because nobody wants to rent a legal server to have it empty 24/7... I hope you understand me now to stop attacking me and begin attacking the problem... Thanks all, and sory if you don't understand me well. Nevermore El lun, 27-10-2008 a las 12:43 -0600, Steve escribió: > To me it sounds like he is saying that he runs the hacked CS server to > advertise his CS reselling services to those who acquired the game > illegally. Which I guess is one way you can do it. But still very much > not cool. > > Wouldn't be violating the ban on sales by offering legit copies to players? > > Either way... > > I would just switch to CSS since it appears the short sighted court ban > didn't bother to extend to source. > > > > > > "The ban on Counter-Strike in Brazilian stores had some effect because as > > Nevermore said, kids (and a lot of adults too for that matter) don't have > > international credit cards" > > If there is a ban on the game in Brazilian stores, doesn't that say to you > > that you maybe shouldn't be playing the game? > > > > In any case, steam is territory based, so even if you manage to get the > > game, I think (not 100% sure) that it won't let you play it anyway. > > > > "I didnt try to justify pirating... I doesnt like it at all... > > I am software developer and also musicsian and i know how pirating is > > robbing. > > I use original software. > > > > I just have a cracked server cause nobody here haves original software." > > If you hate piracy so much, why do you help those who pirate. If I ran a > > download website hosting your software and music, would you be ok with it? > > Just because I said, people in the UK don't have enough money for it.... > > > > > > 2008/10/27 Pentium100 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> "If Counter-Strike can't be afforded, then how are the PC and Internet > >> connection able to be paid for?" > >> > >> It's quite simple - you save money by not buying software. > >> > >> "Why can't people just give up Internet for a month or three to save up > >> for > >> a > >> legal copy of Counter-Strike?" > >> > >> And why not just download the game and keep the connection to get some > >> movies? I mean it works, and has *NO DRM* on it... > >> > >> FYI: I have legal versions of CS, CSS, TF2 and others. > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 19:30, Nevermore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > I didnt try to justify pirating... I doesnt like it at all... > >> > I am software developer and also musicsian and i know how pirating is > >> > robbing. > >> > I use original software. > >> > > >> > I just have a cracked server cause nobody here haves original > >> software. > >> > > >> > I am not a pirate and i hate piratery. > >> > > >> > Also i didnt say that the game is not affordable, i said it is buyable > >> > but it is not accesible in terms of payment methods, and, not being > >> > extremely expensive, its not as cheap as in another countryes, so > >> people > >> > gets attracted by piratery. > >> > It's 60% culture and the other 40% is unacessibility in payment > >> methods > >> > or money facts. > >> > > >> > The original copy of Half-Life costs 10 dollars, a pirate copy costs > >> > less than 2 dollars and you cand find piratery spots in each corner, > >> and > >> > original software only in a dark forgotten corner of some big stores > >> > fulls of original things that most of people doesn't visit because > >> they > >> > thinks that buying original things is stupid. > >> > Its shit... but its real... > >> > > >> > I dont give the people the pirated copies, they get them theirself... > >> > I give them original copies througt more accessible payment methods... > >> > But to show them that original is better, i have to let pirated > >> players > >> > to play in my servers, because nobody wants to play in an empty > >> server. > >> > > >> > > >> > El lun, 27-10-2008 a las 11:22 -0400, Richard Eid escribió: > >> > > If Counter-Strike can't be afforded, then how are the PC and > >> Internet > >> > > connection able to be paid for? Internet is a recurring monthly > >> fee. > >> > Why > >> > > can't people just give up Internet for a month or three to save up > >> for > >> a > >> > > legal copy of Counter-Strike? I mean...it's that good, right? > >> > > > >> > > I was almost understanding your situation until you tried to justify > >> > > pirating. The person who used the Ferrari as an example is spot on. > >> > Just > >> > > because you want something doesn't make it OK to steal. > >> > > > >> > > -Richard Eid > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Nevermore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Its a sad reality. > >> > > > Here in South America most of players has pirated copies of games. > >> > > > It would be great if we could do something... But its a culture > >> > problem. > >> > > > Most of South American people thinks that paying for software is > >> > stupid, > >> > > > because its cheaper to get a pirated copy. > >> > > > > >> > > > Who started this thread is a Brazilian. > >> > > > In brazil i think there is a 50% of steam players, but it is > >> > excepcional > >> > > > because they are the most developed country of south america. But > >> other > >> > > > countries like Argentina have a very worst situation. > >> > > > (i don't know if this number is accurate but my aproach is below > >> 1% > >> of > >> > > > original games) > >> > > > > >> > > > In Europe or North America, most of valve games are cheap, because > >> > > > people gets their income in dolars or euros... But for south > >> america, > >> > 10 > >> > > > dolars are like 30 to you. > >> > > > Games are still buyable, but its not as easy as in other > >> countries. > >> > > > > >> > > > I have my own steam copy, but because i work and i realy enjoy the > >> > games > >> > > > and i think piratery is delincuence... > >> > > > But when i was young, i used to have all pirate software cause my > >> > > > parents didnt want to expend money in computer games for me. > >> > > > > >> > > > Parents doesnt like to spend money in computer games for their > >> sons > >> so > >> > > > its impossible for kids without a credit card to buy the games. > >> > > > > >> > > > Me and some peruvian helpers, are making some kind of campaign to > >> let > >> > > > kids to get easier access to steam games and we are having some > >> exit. > >> > > > (6 Half-Life copies in the first month). > >> > > > We also do not charge anything to the original price. > >> > > > We do this only because we want to stop the piratery. > >> > > > I am planning next month to put a banner in my website to convince > >> more > >> > > > people to stop robbing. > >> > > > > >> > > > Its horrorous how with excessive impunity there is a street stand > >> that > >> > > > sells pirate DVD's and music almost in each corner. > >> > > > Police doesn't put this people in jail because it's better to have > >> them > >> > > > there and not robbing or drug dealing to survive... > >> > > > They are robbing anyway, but not directly and at least, > >> unviolently. > >> > > > > >> > > > Yes, my country sucks! but i love it, and i know some day it will > >> be > >> > > > better ^^ > >> > > > > >> > > > I must say, my server used to be mixed, because a steam server in > >> south > >> > > > america is an empty server... > >> > > > Now primary server is not mixed anymore because steam players > >> cannot > >> > > > join protocol 47 servers. > >> > > > Now we have two servers... a very little steam server almost > >> always > >> > > > empty, and a non steam p47 server always full. > >> > > > I want to keep my campaign going but its hard if steam players > >> haves > >> > > > troubles to join most important servers of their region. > >> > > > > >> > > > I hate having to do that, but there is no choice. > >> > > > I do my better effort to convince the people to buy original > >> software. > >> > > > Be sure that if only a 30% of players had steam i would make my > >> server > >> > > > steam. > >> > > > But i only know 6 steam HLDM players here in Argentina, and 5 of > >> them > >> > > > bougth their original copy througt me. > >> > > > And my server if the most important HLDM server in Argentina, its > >> > always > >> > > > full even at nights (13/14 players constantly with a slot reserved > >> for > >> > > > admins). > >> > > > So 6 in thousands is a very veeery low percentage. > >> > > > > >> > > > Please dont look at me as the bad guy of the movie. > >> > > > Non steam players are not here because of me. > >> > > > After Pheek, the only latin american server was Terra and it was > >> steam. > >> > > > Terra server was empty... I opened a nonsteam homemade server and > >> it > >> > > > went full in just minutes. > >> > > > So it's not because of me that this people exists. On the > >> contrary, i > >> > > > try to teach people that pirating is delincuence and thats why > >> some > >> > > > people is buying origininal games througt me. > >> > > > In other words, if i were not doing this then nobody here would be > >> > > > buying the original game, because they never could have the > >> oportunity > >> > > > to know what HLDM is. > >> > > > > >> > > > I know lots of people will talk back to give their arguments... > >> > > > But if you are not living here, please, just give your opinion, > >> but > >> > dont > >> > > > judge me because may be you cannot understand a reality wich is > >> far > >> > from > >> > > > your everyday reality. > >> > > > > >> > > > I am not doing this because i want you to help non steam servers, > >> i > >> am > >> > > > just doing this for you to know what happens, and maybe together > >> we > >> can > >> > > > find a solution to this problem. > >> > > > > >> > > > Finaly i have to say that the market here for software is the > >> worst > >> in > >> > > > the world... Argentinian game developers doesn't publish their > >> games > >> > in > >> > > > their own country. > >> > > > This is the case of Scratches. An award winning Argentinian game. > >> > > > Done completly in english, and published in lots of countries all > >> over > >> > > > the world, but not it his home country. > >> > > > > >> > > > I hate this reality... And i hope, some way me and people with me > >> will > >> > > > make the change happens. > >> > > > > >> > > > Thank you all. > >> > > > > >> > > > And sory if a am making you losing your time reading this. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > El sáb, 25-10-2008 a las 11:00 -0400, Richard Eid escribió: > >> > > > > You're not going to receive any help from this list. Purchase > >> the > >> > game > >> > > > from > >> > > > > Steam and then we can talk. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -Richard Eid > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:56 AM, pipoquinha fascinora bandido < > >> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I need help because I have counter strike 1.6 non-steam and > >> when > >> I > >> > open > >> > > > my > >> > > > > > server superheromod see a message from an upgrade because I > >> already > >> > > > Baixão > >> > > > > > this update and when I open my server appears to be the same > >> > message > >> > > > that I > >> > > > > > need help Faso help me please! > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:25:48 +0200> From: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > >> > > > To: > >> > > > > > [email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] is this ok> > > >> > what?> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2008/10/25 pipoquinha fascinora bandido < > >> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >> > > > > > > > is this ok> > > >> > > > > > > >> _________________________________________________________________> > >> > > > >> > > > Confira > >> > > > > > vÃdeos com notÃcias do NY Times, gols direto do Lance,> > > >> > > > videocassetadas e > >> > > > > > muito mais no MSN Video!> > http://video.msn.com/?mkt=pt-br> > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > To > >> unsubscribe, > >> > edit > >> > > > your > >> > > > > > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > >> > > >> > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________> To > >> unsubscribe, > >> > edit > >> > > > your > >> > > > > > list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> > >> > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > > > > > Conheça o Windows Live Spaces, a rede de relacionamentos do > >> > Messenger! > >> > > > > > http://www.amigosdomessenger.com.br/ > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> > archives, > >> > > > > > please visit: > >> > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> > archives, > >> > > > please visit: > >> > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> > > > please visit: > >> > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> > please visit: > >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> > please visit: > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
