now. i thinnk i may be oversimplifying this, but are you saying that I 
shouldn't have the ability to be a "higher" level user on the server 
that I administer/officiate/etc?

i think there should be some kind of authentication system for server 
admins. so they can join a game on their server (either to spectate, 
join, etc). kind of like a reserved slot. a way for the admin to stay 
seperate of the other users. I don't expect much from the demo version 
of the server but the full release of L4D I expect a little more play in 
the server config.

Leonard L. Church wrote:
> Ok.. You want to get into it... We can.
>
> Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
>   
>> So let me get this straight.
>>     
>
> No... To easy... I'll let that one slide.
>
>   
>> Let's say, I decide to run a nightclub, the nightclub is public. Anyone can
>> go to my nightclub.
>>     
>
> If your nightclub can only hold 4 people (counting yourself), then 
> perhaps you would have a point.
>
>   
>> You are saying that, I should not have control of who I can kick out of my
>> nightclub?
>>     
>
> If someone is trashing your nightclub (of you and 3 other people), then 
> yes. Kick them out. If they are obeying the rules and not harming 
> things, no. I don't think you should be able to.
>
> But this isn't a nightclub. This is more like 2 bikes you own that you 
> left out in the park with a sign saying, "Anyone can ride these bikes", 
> then pushing off people who ride them because you want to.
>
>   
>> That's essentially what a server is, a club, it's operated by me, it is paid
>> for by me. It is essentially my private property, and if I do not want
>> someone on it, I have the right to remove them from it. They can counter of
>> course, by going to another server.
>>     
>
> Actually, you rent servers mostly. You might not, but that's neither 
> here nor there as we are talking about server owners in general and not 
> how big your ... server... is.
>
> For TF2 and CSS and games that have bigger sizes, then yes. I would 
> agree with you that you should have more control over this. But it 
> isn't. It's a small server and it's not a nightclub.. No matter how much 
> you want it to be.
>
>   
>> Having some logic in my own club that allows a few troublemakers to
>> essentially throw me out of my own club is pretty ridiculous. 
>>     
>
> If you offer a service to the public, then you should be willing to obey 
> the public rule. You don't become a cop and say, "You know, I don't 
> agree with that law. I'm going to shoot that guy anyway".
>
>   
>> You obviously do not run a server with the kind of stance you are taking.
>>     
>
> I love your logic. Because I disagree with you, I don't run a server. :)
>
> You got me.. I don't have a server at all.. *chuckles* Apparently, if I 
> owned a server (which I do), I would agree with everything you say.
>
>   
>> If you do not like a server, open console, type... disconnect. Wow, that's
>> really hard.
>>     
>
> No one said that is hard.
>
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