I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It 
appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on 
this one.

Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, 
comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly.

Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game.

Timothy L Havener wrote:
> So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone 
> who kicks someone unfairly?  Besides that is also only for ranked 
> servers.  There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and 
> you can do as you please.
> 
> J T wrote:
>> Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing "10 year olds" play the game and
>> not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with
>> your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> Why not argue the point?  If you are going to make such a ludicrous
>>> statement please back it up with logic.  So I pay for a server for my
>>> friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no
>>> say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If
>>> Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old
>>> doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers.
>>> I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play
>>> where I have no say.  Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin.  Do this
>>> and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play.
>>>
>>> Leonard L. Church wrote:
>>>     
>>>> I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this
>>>> appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point.
>>>>
>>>> Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>> You can't be serious.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L.
>>>>>         
>>> Church
>>>     
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM
>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and
>>>>> you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the
>>>>> window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get
>>>>> voted on.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit
>>>>> and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait
>>>>> for them to rejoin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Valve, please don't do this.
>>>>>
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