as valve has allready said they are aware of the problem and are working on it and they have NO ETA! jeesus
2009/1/8 Karl Weckstrom <[email protected]> > First of all, I made no mention of it today until Kingsley put his hat in > the ring. Though I'm sure someone else would have anyway. > > I'm a vocal guy. That's not likely to change. If I have an opinion, I'll > express it whether people like it or not. I find it funny that I can say > nothing at the beginning of the day - but by the end of the day, I'M the one > who's bitching. Hilarious indeed! > > Msleeper, in his usual style, decided to pitch in his 2 cents as well. He's > entitled. He, like you, is bitching about my bitching. > > Call me insane if you like. Call my attempts to get answers bitching if you > like. Call it whatever you want - because if you haven't figured this out by > now, I don't really care what you think. I care about Valve's response to > this problem, and a timeframe to its solution. > > Everything else is meaningless in this thread. This includes your post, > msleeper's post, and all the others complaining about our complaining - > which in the end isn't going to STOP our complaining - our gripe is > legitimate and we feel we are entitled to an answer. All you're adding is > extra fluff - but again, you're entitled! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Darren Gordon > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:46 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they don't owe > you anything. > > But how are you looking for answers? Constantly bellyaching about a > problem is not looking for answers, it's bitching. This has been said > repeatedly, Valve has acknowledged the problem and have said they are > working on it. There is no timeframe, probably will never be one and > people repeating the same grievances over and over does NOTHING to > bring about either a resolution or a timeline for a fix. Yet still > here you are thinking you're fighting the good fight. > > Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting > different results. > > > > On Jan 8, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Karl Weckstrom wrote: > > > I'm ok with that. > > > > Let the people looking for answers look for their answers. > > And the people who are annoyed with it can just shut up and not make > > the problem worse :) > > > > Sounds like a plan to me! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected] > > ] On Behalf Of GM Chicken > > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:33 PM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they > > don't owe you anything. > > > > You both assume we all care about your opinions. > > > > Those of you who are anti-valve... do you really think one more > > email is > > going to make the difference? Do you think they will see your mail > > and feel > > it is so impressive that they have to reply? > > > > Those of you who are not, do you think that you will ever convince the > > others to change their opinions? > > > > How about we all try to get along? And more importantly, why don't > > we try to > > stop filling thousands of people's inboxes with drivel? > > > > Regards, > > > > GM Chicken > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karl Weckstrom" <[email protected]> > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they > > don't owe > > you anything. > > > > > >> Useless hyperbole. > >> > >> You know what they say - you're either part of the solution or part > >> of the > >> problem. You've clearly shown what side you're on. > >> > >> I'm not asking anyone to abide by my vision. You, on the other > >> hand, are > >> trying to cheerlead people into abiding by yours. > >> > >> Good luck with that. :) > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper > >> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:09 PM > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they > >> don't > >> owe you anything. > >> > >> BUT DARREN THIS IS NOT HOW KARL WOULD RUN THINGS IF IT WERE HIS > >> COMPANY, > >> HE HAS BEEN WORKING IN AN IT COMPANY FOR 60 YEARS AND HE WOULD FIRE > >> EVERY VALVE EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIVE UP TO HIS IMMACULATE > >> STANDARDS AND EVERYONE MUST ABIDE BY KARL'S VISION OF HOW A FREE AND > >> UNSUPPORTED MAILING LIST SHOULD BE HANDLED. > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 13:48 -0800, Darren Gordon wrote: > >>> Seriously? Have you ever been on a mailing list for a piece of > >>> software before? Go though the HLDS list archives and tell me that > >>> the content of the posts is in any way similar to now. > >>> > >>> > >>> In fact you know what, don't, Kingley is right, this whole > >>> conversation is pointless. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Karl Weckstrom wrote: > >>> > >>>> You aren't the one who needs to "get it". > >>>> > >>>> And no, I don't think I've mistaken anything. This is the dedicated > >>>> server mailing list. It's owned by Valve. Nowhere is it stated that > >>>> this is not to be used for "support" or "complaints". Did you make > >>>> that up? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] > >>>> [mailto:[email protected] > >>>> ] On Behalf Of msleeper > >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:22 PM > >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they > >>>> don't owe you anything. > >>>> > >>>> Posting 40, 50, and 60 page threads with COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN > >>>> MADE > >>>> FOR WEEKS is spam though, Karl. We get it, you have your panties > >>>> in a > >>>> wad. EVERYONE gets it. > >>>> > >>>> I really think you have mistaken this mailing list as some sort of > >>>> support or complaint forum. IT'S NOT! This mailing list is for > >>>> server > >>>> operators to help eachother. This is not a Valve support list. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 16:15 -0500, Karl Weckstrom wrote: > >>>>> Legitimate complaints != Spam. > >>>>> > >>>>> Our concerns aren't being addressed. Like I've said before, I just > >>>>> want answers. I'm not telling Valve they suck - just the opposite. > >>>>> I've said many times they're the best in this space. > >>>>> > >>>>> But being the best means being accountable. I'm just asking them > >>>>> to > >>>>> give us some kind of idea as to when this very serious problem > >>>>> will > >>>>> be fixed. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>> [mailto:[email protected] > >>>>> ] On Behalf Of Kingsley Foreman > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:09 PM > >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they > >>>>> don't owe you anything. > >>>>> > >>>>> I've stayed quiet on this one but seriously i'm sick of the spam. > >>>>> If you > >>>>> want to whine about Valve go create your own mail list and feel > >>>>> free to do > >>>>> it all you want. 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