Is it just me or is anyone else see player drop off's and VAC server issues?
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patrick Shelley Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:27 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they don't owe you anything. These posts arent even funny anymore ---- At least can we throw in some personal insults !! On 1/9/09, SakeFox <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is what happens with a lot of the posts here. Someone puts a valid > complaint out, then we get a few people with the holier than thou > attitude that thinks they know better then anyone and from there it > starts to twist. All this topic is now is who has the rights to post on > this mailing list and what it's for. Does anyone know what the actual > original topic was about? You guys complain about the people that post > issues that are at hand and bash them, then you add the trolls and you > end up with what we have now. I find it kind of funny for all the people > that are saying that they hate posts like this, but end up posting more > on it more then other people. If you don't like a post that is going > around, instead of complaining about it yourself, ignore it. It's easy > to setup rules to delete these messages since they have the same subject > line (except the people that were complaining and had to change the > subject line). > > people complained about the custom tabs and look what happened. And to > think people told them to just shut it and deal with it > > > Karl Weckstrom wrote: > > He's just a hungry troll needing to be fed :) > > > > I agree with CC2 - Valve owns this list, and it's not very useful without > their participation. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Stiehm > > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:55 PM > > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they don't > owe you anything. > > > > Wow you are one annoying mofo > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper > > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:16 PM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they don't > owe > > you anything. > > > > BUT WE HAVE TO PESTER THEM AND EVERYONE WHO READS THIS, EVERY HOUR OF > > EVERY DAY > > > > GEEEEEEEEEEEEEZEEEEEEEEEEE > > > > On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 23:06 +0000, Craig Collinson wrote: > > > >> as valve has allready said they are aware of the problem and are working > >> > > on > > > >> it and they have NO ETA! > >> jeesus > >> > >> 2009/1/8 Karl Weckstrom <[email protected]> > >> > >> > >>> First of all, I made no mention of it today until Kingsley put his hat > >>> > > in > > > >>> the ring. Though I'm sure someone else would have anyway. > >>> > >>> I'm a vocal guy. That's not likely to change. If I have an opinion, > I'll > >>> express it whether people like it or not. I find it funny that I can > say > >>> nothing at the beginning of the day - but by the end of the day, I'M > the > >>> > > one > > > >>> who's bitching. Hilarious indeed! > >>> > >>> Msleeper, in his usual style, decided to pitch in his 2 cents as well. > >>> > > He's > > > >>> entitled. He, like you, is bitching about my bitching. > >>> > >>> Call me insane if you like. Call my attempts to get answers bitching if > >>> > > you > > > >>> like. Call it whatever you want - because if you haven't figured this > >>> > > out by > > > >>> now, I don't really care what you think. I care about Valve's response > >>> > > to > > > >>> this problem, and a timeframe to its solution. > >>> > >>> Everything else is meaningless in this thread. This includes your post, > >>> msleeper's post, and all the others complaining about our complaining - > >>> which in the end isn't going to STOP our complaining - our gripe is > >>> legitimate and we feel we are entitled to an answer. All you're adding > >>> > > is > > > >>> extra fluff - but again, you're entitled! > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto: > >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Darren Gordon > >>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:46 PM > >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they don't > >>> > > owe > > > >>> you anything. > >>> > >>> But how are you looking for answers? Constantly bellyaching about a > >>> problem is not looking for answers, it's bitching. This has been said > >>> repeatedly, Valve has acknowledged the problem and have said they are > >>> working on it. There is no timeframe, probably will never be one and > >>> people repeating the same grievances over and over does NOTHING to > >>> bring about either a resolution or a timeline for a fix. Yet still > >>> here you are thinking you're fighting the good fight. > >>> > >>> Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting > >>> different results. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Karl Weckstrom wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I'm ok with that. > >>>> > >>>> Let the people looking for answers look for their answers. > >>>> And the people who are annoyed with it can just shut up and not make > >>>> the problem worse :) > >>>> > >>>> Sounds like a plan to me! > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: > >>>> > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>>> ] On Behalf Of GM Chicken > >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:33 PM > >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they > >>>> don't owe you anything. > >>>> > >>>> You both assume we all care about your opinions. > >>>> > >>>> Those of you who are anti-valve... do you really think one more > >>>> email is > >>>> going to make the difference? Do you think they will see your mail > >>>> and feel > >>>> it is so impressive that they have to reply? > >>>> > >>>> Those of you who are not, do you think that you will ever convince the > >>>> others to change their opinions? > >>>> > >>>> How about we all try to get along? And more importantly, why don't > >>>> we try to > >>>> stop filling thousands of people's inboxes with drivel? > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> GM Chicken > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Karl Weckstrom" <[email protected]> > >>>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > >>>> <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:19 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen AndAnswer! --- they > >>>> don't owe > >>>> you anything. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Useless hyperbole. > >>>>> > >>>>> You know what they say - you're either part of the solution or part > >>>>> of the > >>>>> problem. You've clearly shown what side you're on. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm not asking anyone to abide by my vision. You, on the other > >>>>> hand, are > >>>>> trying to cheerlead people into abiding by yours. > >>>>> > >>>>> Good luck with that. :) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:09 PM > >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they > >>>>> don't > >>>>> owe you anything. > >>>>> > >>>>> BUT DARREN THIS IS NOT HOW KARL WOULD RUN THINGS IF IT WERE HIS > >>>>> COMPANY, > >>>>> HE HAS BEEN WORKING IN AN IT COMPANY FOR 60 YEARS AND HE WOULD FIRE > >>>>> EVERY VALVE EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIVE UP TO HIS IMMACULATE > >>>>> STANDARDS AND EVERYONE MUST ABIDE BY KARL'S VISION OF HOW A FREE AND > >>>>> UNSUPPORTED MAILING LIST SHOULD BE HANDLED. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 13:48 -0800, Darren Gordon wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Seriously? Have you ever been on a mailing list for a piece of > >>>>>> software before? Go though the HLDS list archives and tell me that > >>>>>> the content of the posts is in any way similar to now. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In fact you know what, don't, Kingley is right, this whole > >>>>>> conversation is pointless. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Karl Weckstrom wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> You aren't the one who needs to "get it". > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And no, I don't think I've mistaken anything. This is the dedicated > >>>>>>> server mailing list. It's owned by Valve. Nowhere is it stated that > >>>>>>> this is not to be used for "support" or "complaints". Did you make > >>>>>>> that up? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected] > >>>>>>> ] On Behalf Of msleeper > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:22 PM > >>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they > >>>>>>> don't owe you anything. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Posting 40, 50, and 60 page threads with COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN > >>>>>>> MADE > >>>>>>> FOR WEEKS is spam though, Karl. We get it, you have your panties > >>>>>>> in a > >>>>>>> wad. EVERYONE gets it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I really think you have mistaken this mailing list as some sort of > >>>>>>> support or complaint forum. IT'S NOT! This mailing list is for > >>>>>>> server > >>>>>>> operators to help eachother. This is not a Valve support list. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 16:15 -0500, Karl Weckstrom wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Legitimate complaints != Spam. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Our concerns aren't being addressed. Like I've said before, I just > >>>>>>>> want answers. I'm not telling Valve they suck - just the opposite. > >>>>>>>> I've said many times they're the best in this space. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> But being the best means being accountable. I'm just asking them > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> give us some kind of idea as to when this very serious problem > >>>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>> be fixed. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected] > >>>>>>>> ] On Behalf Of Kingsley Foreman > >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:09 PM > >>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! --- they > >>>>>>>> don't owe you anything. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I've stayed quiet on this one but seriously i'm sick of the spam. > >>>>>>>> If you > >>>>>>>> want to whine about Valve go create your own mail list and feel > >>>>>>>> free to do > >>>>>>>> it all you want. 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