You make it sound like there's a lot of back-end work when running a list, but it's actually pretty much self run. Set up the list and go. Everyone on a mailing list is ranked equally.
Like I said before, I'm more than happy to set one up. It'll take 10 minutes. I'd definitely like to see what Burton has to say though. I would certainly prefer the list stay with valve, and would only want to set one up myself if this one was shut down completely. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:04:22 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists > > Mr. Burton's announcement basically has revised the original intent of the > HLDS mailing list as the primary means of support/communication with server > admins to now be the Steam Forums. From an operational standpoint, hell > that makes a lot of sense. Course anyone can argue that, but I'm just > throwing that out there from Valve's POV. I think everyone would agree that > the amount of subscribers to this list has increased and that can very well > be attributed to the "base" server admins of the list. Meaning they are the > ones that ended up putting tutorials, HOW tos, tips, tricks, remedies, > mitigations, etc. out there on the webz in the first place, rather than > Valve directly. > > > > The official place for feedback by Valve makes sense to be the Steam forums. > Not saying at all I like it personally or create a backlash amongst > everyone. I have been listening on this list myself since just before TF2 > came out and it has been a godsend. *tips hat to the base SAs* > > > > I concur with many here that a mail list is still the best way to go due > mostly for two things: obscurity and flexibility (both ways). Most > importantly though, if the "base" SAs remain, then in my mind, that's all I > need. The Steam forums, while not the greatest solution for this type of > community (i.e., moderators, confirmation of SAs, chronology of > threads/posts, editing, viewing challenges, response challenges) feels like > an abyss, tbh, compared to here. Yeah, I don't mean to knock it before > trying it, but our forums are vBulletin. One of the main benefits of the > mailing list is raw interaction and chronology. That has shear importance > when it comes to troubleshooting issues that may be general (i.e., important > for all SAs). > > > > I would say that the server admin community over the years has built itself. > There is a core group. If Valve chooses not to reply or interact here, then > that is the way it is. However, that doesn't have to change with respect to > the SAs that are here….participating, which to me is the point. Each one of > us has our own way of finding information, verifying it, and then > communicating it. The Steam Forums is one of those places to look for > reference. When Valve reports there, how many of you will bring it here….? > > > > I'd like to see someone take the lead on setting up an UNOFFICIAL mailing > list….Hell, we can argue the current one already is UNOFFICIAL due to low > participation by Valve here already. I'm not saying that bash Valve at all, > it's just a fact regarding the participation, which is not what it once was > and will discontinue completely on February 20th. > > > > I'm in for an unofficial mailing list, but I have no idea who is the right > person to run that. I've seen a link or two from people, but I'd like to > defer to the big dawgs – Neph, Richard, Tony,…. > > > > Regards, > > > > Carl aka [FLASH] MjrNuT > Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality > > www.flamesandash.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' > Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists > > Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, > alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving > to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it > as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of > information rather than flock to the steam forums. > > Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another > forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this > mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would > lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just > end up with more "not-so-useful" posters on the steam forums. So then server > administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. > > Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and > don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then > you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something > that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the > preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at > a glance. It's always "just there". > With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between > threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get > less of the really helpful people around. > > I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just > under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing > lists in other things I do regularly. > > Matt > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:54:32 -0500 > From: Alec Sanger <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > but these issues still do make it to the steam forums, and tons of other > forums around the internet. The difference is that the individuals on this > list all have a common goal - to keep their servers running smoothly and to > solve any issues as soon as possible. If the forum stays how it is, it will > continue to be flooded by beginner questions that can be answered with a > quick google search. > > I do see the argument for moving it to the forums, but this little community > we have has a pretty narrow scope, and that allows us to tackle issues more > effectively. I also check the list from my phone. If I have to go to the > forums every time I want to see the status of something, chances are I will > rarely be able to visit. > > Thank you, > Alec Sanger > P: 248.941.3813 > F: 313.286.8945 > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. 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