someone has setup a mailing list and was linked in the irc chat and people said they were not going to join it because "google sucks". I singed up with it to see how it would work and what not and it worked exactly like any other mailing list with the only difference with a really nice web front. Really in a nut shell i think that unless the new group isn't supported by neph and the few others that people look up to a new mailing list created anywhere will not go anywhere.
Alec Sanger wrote: > You make it sound like there's a lot of back-end work when running a list, > but it's actually pretty much self run. Set up the list and go. Everyone on a > mailing list is ranked equally. > > Like I said before, I'm more than happy to set one up. It'll take 10 minutes. > I'd definitely like to see what Burton has to say though. I would certainly > prefer the list stay with valve, and would only want to set one up myself if > this one was shut down completely. > > Thank you, > Alec Sanger > P: 248.941.3813 > F: 313.286.8945 > > > > >> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:04:22 -0800 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists >> >> Mr. Burton's announcement basically has revised the original intent of the >> HLDS mailing list as the primary means of support/communication with server >> admins to now be the Steam Forums. From an operational standpoint, hell >> that makes a lot of sense. Course anyone can argue that, but I'm just >> throwing that out there from Valve's POV. I think everyone would agree that >> the amount of subscribers to this list has increased and that can very well >> be attributed to the "base" server admins of the list. Meaning they are the >> ones that ended up putting tutorials, HOW tos, tips, tricks, remedies, >> mitigations, etc. out there on the webz in the first place, rather than >> Valve directly. >> >> >> >> The official place for feedback by Valve makes sense to be the Steam forums. >> Not saying at all I like it personally or create a backlash amongst >> everyone. I have been listening on this list myself since just before TF2 >> came out and it has been a godsend. *tips hat to the base SAs* >> >> >> >> I concur with many here that a mail list is still the best way to go due >> mostly for two things: obscurity and flexibility (both ways). Most >> importantly though, if the "base" SAs remain, then in my mind, that's all I >> need. The Steam forums, while not the greatest solution for this type of >> community (i.e., moderators, confirmation of SAs, chronology of >> threads/posts, editing, viewing challenges, response challenges) feels like >> an abyss, tbh, compared to here. Yeah, I don't mean to knock it before >> trying it, but our forums are vBulletin. One of the main benefits of the >> mailing list is raw interaction and chronology. That has shear importance >> when it comes to troubleshooting issues that may be general (i.e., important >> for all SAs). >> >> >> >> I would say that the server admin community over the years has built itself. >> There is a core group. If Valve chooses not to reply or interact here, then >> that is the way it is. However, that doesn't have to change with respect to >> the SAs that are here….participating, which to me is the point. Each one of >> us has our own way of finding information, verifying it, and then >> communicating it. The Steam Forums is one of those places to look for >> reference. When Valve reports there, how many of you will bring it here….? >> >> >> >> I'd like to see someone take the lead on setting up an UNOFFICIAL mailing >> list….Hell, we can argue the current one already is UNOFFICIAL due to low >> participation by Valve here already. I'm not saying that bash Valve at all, >> it's just a fact regarding the participation, which is not what it once was >> and will discontinue completely on February 20th. >> >> >> >> I'm in for an unofficial mailing list, but I have no idea who is the right >> person to run that. I've seen a link or two from people, but I'd like to >> defer to the big dawgs – Neph, Richard, Tony,…. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Carl aka [FLASH] MjrNuT >> Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality >> >> www.flamesandash.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM >> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists >> >> Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, >> alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving >> to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it >> as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of >> information rather than flock to the steam forums. >> >> Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another >> forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this >> mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would >> lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just >> end up with more "not-so-useful" posters on the steam forums. So then server >> administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. >> >> Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and >> don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then >> you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something >> that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the >> preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at >> a glance. It's always "just there". >> With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between >> threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get >> less of the really helpful people around. >> >> I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just >> under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing >> lists in other things I do regularly. >> >> Matt >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:54:32 -0500 >> From: Alec Sanger <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists >> To: <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> >> but these issues still do make it to the steam forums, and tons of other >> forums around the internet. The difference is that the individuals on this >> list all have a common goal - to keep their servers running smoothly and to >> solve any issues as soon as possible. If the forum stays how it is, it will >> continue to be flooded by beginner questions that can be answered with a >> quick google search. >> >> I do see the argument for moving it to the forums, but this little community >> we have has a pretty narrow scope, and that allows us to tackle issues more >> effectively. I also check the list from my phone. If I have to go to the >> forums every time I want to see the status of something, chances are I will >> rarely be able to visit. >> >> Thank you, >> Alec Sanger >> P: 248.941.3813 >> F: 313.286.8945 >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
