I agree 100% He obviously has little or no experience in cooperation with other admins. I'm sick of the endless spamming he speaks about truly annoying.
KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 4:00 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > So, I still can't understand how or why you and a few others (Patrick > Shelley and Dan Reinhardt come to mind) seem to think that the mailing > list is an open channel to Valve or some sort of srcds Support or that > it should be, when 1.) it says nowhere that it is and I am fairly sure > it never has, and 2.) there are about a dozen better ways to get in > touch with people at Valve, not to mention the people who post here > who > are personal friends with Valve programmers and other staff who can > and > do get direct contact. > > You make it out to seem like Valve is totally oblivious to the > problems > that arise and exist for their own games, and that this mailing list > is > some sort of "last line of defense", and without out the constant > droning that these problems would never get resolved. Yeah, it is > great > that at least some of the shit that gets posted here does get read by > them, and the actual helpful members like our hero Nephyrin really do > take great strides to make the world a better place. But the world is > not going to end, bugs and exploits are already glaring enough, subce > everyone wants to be a Youtube star with the next hottest exploit/ > grief. > These problems would not be any more or less "exposed" with the list > gone. > > I don't want to see the list go away either, and I think the Steam > forums are horrible for a number of reasons which have more or less > been > said already. But if it does go away I am not gonna ragequit running > servers just because I don't server talk in my email (or my iPhone - > laugh out loud, is that a serious concern? If so, get a life), and you > people who are saying you will are nuts. "Oh no, this list that has > relatively nothing to do with the running or operation of my personal > server has gone away! BRB uninstalling srcds." Give me a break. > > Though I would take bets on how long it would take for you to ragequit > the forums too just because the mods don't take you seriously when you > can't take a joke and get butthurt when the Ops don't care about your > childish whining, like what happened in IRC. Now go ahead and post > some > response, and be sure to put a smiley face in it so that we all know > you > keep your cool when you get pissed because you're an idiot. > > > Sent from my iWheel. Don't have one? Check them out: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA > > > On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 09:37 -0500, Karl Weckstrom wrote: >> I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without >> valve reading it and/or responding. >> >> I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and >> bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more >> exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they >> are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list >> that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the >> internet at large is a good thing :) >> >> I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure >> on themselves. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected] >> ] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM >> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists >> >> Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, >> alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list >> instead. Moving >> to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will >> separate it >> as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other >> avenues of >> information rather than flock to the steam forums. >> >> Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want >> another >> forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid >> of this >> mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time >> you would >> lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here >> and just >> end up with more "not-so-useful" posters on the steam forums. So >> then server >> administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. >> >> Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own >> copy and >> don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a >> topic then >> you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on >> something >> that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have >> the >> preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the >> threads at >> a glance. It's always "just there". >> With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and >> forth between >> threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and >> you'd get >> less of the really helpful people around. >> >> I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed >> up just >> under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more >> useful mailing >> lists in other things I do regularly. >> >> Matt >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Zover >> Mirklo >> Sent: 10 February 2009 08:23 >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists >> >> No forums, no forum-mail gateways, no other unneeded stuff.. All is >> just fine with the mailing list - only needed information, almost >> only >> smart, mature people, easy to read, always available in my mailbox >> etc.. Oldschool stuff is the best. Speaking about moderators on steam >> forums from the mailing list members- its unsafe, their forum >> accounts >> could be hijacked (dont know how to say it in english), their >> passwords can be stolen etc and if some information will be lost on >> official steam forums or something else will happen who will take >> responsibility for this? Thats totally unneeded. I am happy you Valve >> reconsidered this (hopefully) and that you care what we all think >> about this..  I know you want to make things better but this is >> the case when there is really no need to change something about >> mailing list. >> Quoting O!KAK : I think best solutioin will be gateway (in both >> direction) to valve`s forum. >> Somthing like this - >> http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=92588 >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] mailto:[email protected] >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds KennyLoggins ClanAO.com _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
