LotusClan does nothing of the sort. We are in complete compliance with the Policy of Truth.
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Todd Pettit <pettit.t...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sweet Lord. Lotusclan and Skial are doing it so are Wonkagaming.net and so > is Battlegrounds who is coincidentally using fake clients as well and they > sure as hell know they are in violation because they have all been > de-listed for using fake clients. That right there is 250-300 flagrant > violators. You don't think lotus and skial knew what they were doing when > they renamed their plugins? Both of them have 8 sec Blue team respawns and > no sv_tags. How hard is it to understand if you break the policy you are in > violation. > > It is black and white if you are too lazy to learn scripting and do not > check the effects of a plugin you purchase you are still ultimately > responsible for your servers. So yes you should be de-listed if it was > caught. They do not send you a warning for fake clients. Ignorance is not > an excuse if you are incompetent. > > "Luckily - cooler heads usually prevail with the TF2 team, and they have > the added benefit of seeing the big picture (and all the underlying > player-data that denotes which servers players like)." > You mean they like servers which manipulate the system to gain a > competitive advantage. > > If you don't know the speed limit does that excuse you from a speeding > ticket? NO! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E. Olsen" <ceo.eol...@gmail.com> > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" < > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:46:26 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without > tags OK? > > > I just think people have to be careful in thinking that everything comes > down to back & white. I'll give you a specific example: > > A few months ago when I had the fast respawn plugin we use re-written by a > Sorucemod coder to insure it added the proper sv_tags, an error was > introduced that went unnoticed for almost 6 weeks. For some reason, > whatever the coder did (which, I have no idea, I have to pay freelancers to > get these things done for me) somehow caused the "increased_maxplayers" tag > to disappear when it added the "respawntimes" tag, even though my servers > were set above 24 slots. > > Now, that is something I certainly did not intend to do (I didn't even > think it was possible, as that's hard-coded into the engine), and I only > happened to notice it when checking our servers in the browser one day. > Now, as soon as I saw that, I contacted the coder and he found/fixed the > error that caused it - but I certainly wasn't trying to game the system, it > was an innocent coding error. > > Should everyone be aware of the rules? Sure - but unless it's something > truly intentional and nefarious like the fake clients thing described > above, then outright bans of servers is extreme. I agree ignorance of the > law is not an excuse, but the last time I checked we didn't put jaywalkers > in front of firing squads either. > > There needs to be a reasonable level of response to these types of things. > A written warning with X amount of time to comply (with graduating > consequences for non-compliance such as revoking quickplay eligibility, > temporary delisting, followed by a perma-ban) is absolutely appropriate and > acceptable. Those server operators that are less-tech savvy than others may > someday put a plugin on their server that (as the example I noted above) > causes unintended non-compliance in one or more areas, without their > knowledge. A simple warning to these folks would go a long way towards > preserving goodwill in the server community as a whole. > > Luckily - cooler heads usually prevail with the TF2 team, and they have > the added benefit of seeing the big picture (and all the underlying > player-data that denotes which servers players like). > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >
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