Same with 14 TF2 servers (24/32 slots). I get a ghost player from time to time but never more than 1, maybe 2 at the most.
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Doctor McKay <[email protected]> wrote: > Just for the record, I have not noticed any player count discrepancies in > my TF servers, nor have any players reported any discrepancies to me. > > > Dr. McKay > www.doctormckay.com > > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Fletcher Dunn < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I'd start my investigation by confirming that the raw ping from your >> server is correct and what you want it to be (using hlsw or something >> similar). >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Kyle Sanderson >> Date:2013/12/26 5:25 PM (GMT-08:00) >> To: Fletcher Dunn ,Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >> ,Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> Cc: Eric Smith >> Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] [Regression] Horribly inaccurate player >> counts from Steam. >> >> >and your server contains bots. >> No bots (not even STV). >> >> > totally based on the visible max. >> Ah, so I'm presuming that's the case too with the GMS (the actual >> field is ignored)? >> >> I'll try gaming our queries to Steam and see if that declines in user >> reports. >> >> Thanks, >> Kyle. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Fletcher Dunn >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > The server browser doesn't know anything about the actual max, it is >> totally based on the visible max. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Kyle Sanderson [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] >> > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 5:19 PM >> > To: Fletcher Dunn; Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list; >> Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> > Cc: Eric Smith >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] [Regression] Horribly inaccurate >> player counts from Steam. >> > >> > Is that the visible max, or the actual max? We only recently removed >> sv_visiblemaxplayers as a result from this about a week and a half ago; no >> improvement. >> > >> > Kyle. >> > >> > On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Fletcher Dunn < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> "full" should mean that the player count in the ping >= the max player >> count in the ping. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Kyle Sanderson [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> >> ] >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 5:14 PM >> >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list; Half-Life dedicated >> >> Linux server mailing list; Fletcher Dunn >> >> Cc: Eric Smith >> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] [Regression] Horribly inaccurate >> player counts from Steam. >> >> >> >> There may be logic missing from cstrike if being full is the case (or >> missing from the GMS, if it's implemented there). My C++ classes, >> CheckValve, and the collection of PHP querying classes from xPaw all show >> the server as being full from the old masters. >> >> >> >> It may also not be staying full (just under, from our AFK Manager), >> and players are thinking they shouldn't encounter it as the GMS is >> returning 10+ free slots. The human element may be wrecking the full >> implementation. Maybe we'd be better off faking being full if we've passed >> a threshold? Client's that return true from IsClientFullyAuthenticated >> should be part of the list; right? >> >> >> >> Kyle. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Fletcher Dunn < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The server browser queries the server and then checks the numbers >> >>> from the ping against authenticated player counts from Steam. If >> >>> there is a difference, then it performs a reconciliation according to >> >>> some logic that is not totally brain-dead. For example, one of the >> >>> heuristics it uses is that if the server reports that it is full, >> >>> then it will trust the server, no matter what Steam says. (Because >> >>> of the exact problem you describe.) >> >>> >> >>> So I'm not sure that the problem is that Steam service is >> intermittent. I think the problem is that the server is not reporting >> itself as full? When you use a tool such as HLSW, which doesn't talk to >> Steam at all, does the data in the ping show the server as full? >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: [email protected] >> >>> [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of Kyle >> >>> Sanderson >> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:33 PM >> >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list; Half-Life >> >>> dedicated >> >>> Win32 server mailing list >> >>> Cc: Eric Smith >> >>> Subject: [hlds_linux] [Regression] Horribly inaccurate player counts >> from Steam. >> >>> >> >>> So a few weeks (probably months now, actually) ago all of the in-game >> client tabs were moved to rely on data from Steam, instead of querying the >> actual server. Which is fine, this most likely hurt fake players users >> quite significantly. >> >>> >> >>> However, from what started off as a few players incorrect (4~) has >> greatly increased. We're up to 14~ phantom slots, as the players clients >> are broken, or Steam is having trouble keeping up. This results in an >> actually full server (64/64) showing as 50/64. Client's are now unable to >> externally queue to join the server, it's actually pretty horrible. If >> servers are given an unverified leeway of 15% of their verified players, it >> might be enough to span the gap for those broken steam clients. >> >>> >> >>> We run some pretty large servers, so this doesn't impact us as much. >> >>> Well, besides an endless amount of player reports, which is starting >> to take it's toll. However, if you're running a TF server with 24 slots, >> and 10 of them are empty... that's quite the thing. >> >>> Alternatively, if the max-player defines are increased, that would >> work as an interim solution. >> >>> >> >>> A revert, or fix would be much appreciated. I don't believe this is >> easily fixable, as Steam's actual up time is around 80%. >> >>> >> >>> Kyle. >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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