It doesn't have staying power? How so? On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:01 PM, [email protected] <[email protected] > wrote:
> A large part of the fact community is waning comes from the natural life > cycle of a game. TF2 has been around for almost 7 years now, and truth be > told, it doesn't have the staying power that games like CS do. That is not > to say Valve's mishandling of quickplay doesn't contribute to it, though. > > On 6 February 2015 at 23:10, E. Olsen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree that going out of our way to abuse quickplay & break the rules is >> pretty shortsighted and ill-conceived. >> >> Having said that, there are always people that say "it was not about ads" >> or "they made the change because of THIS", but the truth is no one really >> knows, because the TF2 team never TOLD US why they thought the drastic >> change was necessarily. The most I heard from Fletcher Dunn at the time was >> that it was "getting bad for the players". Of course, he said that in the >> same sentence that he told us that the change was a temporary solution (I'm >> paraphrasing here, as I don't have the direct quote saved). >> >> I have my theories, and I'm sure they conflict with those that love the >> idea of pinion ads plastered all over their servers, but that's neither >> here nor there. >> >> I like the idea of Valve charging for a server hosting license, I've >> never thought of that before, but it would probably be a great way to keep >> the more nefarious folks from throwing up those terrible anonymous "TF2 >> ad-farms" (the ones that used fake clients/bots to trick quickplay, etc.) >> that plagued quickplay prior to the change. >> >> Even if they only charged $5 per year per server, it would probably do >> the trick (the same way charging for TF2 kept more hackers out, etc.) >> >> The thing that gets rattles me most about quickplay is that TF2 was >> flourishing before it came along, with the "good" community servers rising >> to the top (traffic-wise) while the "premium" and low-quality servers >> languished. It wasn't until the "easy" quickplay traffic came along that we >> had the 100+ server "ad-farms" and "premium" operators launching server >> after server in order to cash in on the easy traffic. >> >> I think they need to really step back and ask themselves if quickplay has >> actually improved the game. There is a "culture" that TF2 brought with it >> in its first few years of operation that the "random games with random >> strangers" that quickplay encourages is destroying. The days of server >> "regulars" are on the wane, and all the high-quality teamwork & camaraderie >> that it created is going with it. >> >> New players never get to see how great TF2 can really be, and that's the >> biggest casualty of the quickplay system. I wish there were some member of >> the TF2 team that still understood that and would advocate for it, but the >> lack of any kind of communication from the TF2 team outside of update >> announcements make me doubt it. >> >> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Robert Paulson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Abusing quickplay is the dumbest idea I ever heard. The entire point of >>> these complaints is that almost no one is using community quickplay because >>> the UI is so bad and skewed in favor of official servers. >>> >>> Since everyone else is putting forth their own solutions and theories, I >>> will repeat mine. Default to community servers after 1 hour of gameplay. >>> After 1 hour new players should know how vanilla TF2 is and be able to find >>> a proper community server. >>> >>> This is not about the complete distrust in community servers for all >>> players because they would not have bothered to add a community servers >>> option. \ >>> >>> This is not about ads because they were already completely blocked from >>> people joining through quickplay long before the official servers change. >>> >>> Short of removing community servers completely or charging for a hosting >>> license, someone will always have something to complain about. Everything >>> is a trade-off and having community servers is better than idiot-proofing >>> the game for the whiners who can't even figure out how to use the server >>> browser. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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