I'll be honest, after hearing these same talking points many times over I have only one more thing to say.
Valve aren't gonna listen until players make waves. That isn't going to happen by us complaining. There's only one sure-fire way to get this to happen. Make a fuss in our own communities about it. Ask our own community members who know how much time we put in to running servers to support our cause. Ask them to join the FQP group. At least that way we can co-ordinate our efforts as admins. I know a number of you on this mailing list are already members. Failing that, I'm being brutal by saying this, shut down our servers. Even if only temporarily. When people in our communities ask why, tell them and ask them to personally email Valve and post on the TF2 forums on Steam. That will get attention. The sort of volume of attention that would generate would at least hopefully get a response from Valve. How many members do all of our communities actively hold? On 4 August 2015 at 22:44, Tim Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: > It amazes me that there are people like you that think like that. How bad > can Valve fanboys get? > > How are we supposed to police other people's servers? I have personally > made dozens of reports and Valve has done nothing to them for months before > I stopped bothered to check. What else are we supposed to do? > > It is Valve's job to keep the server list clean. And they did it the lazy > way by virtually banning community servers. Now they keep killing community > servers by only introducing official server only content. > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Lyrai <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That thought process is why we are where we are now. Valve doesn't trust >> community servers to police the community beyond their own nose. They tried >> to trust us for years and nothing happened. Terrible servers and shitty >> communities ran rampant, and it was the duty of the community to try and >> stop them, especially if the community wants to turn around and screech >> like a howler monkey that Valve OWES you something because we're the >> LIFEBLOOD and we're the reason they exist yadda yadda. >> >> Valve put the game in our hands, and no one did a damn thing about the >> health of the game on the whole until it affected them, personally. Only >> then did the persecution complex kick into high gear, and we busted out the >> crack theories that Valve has specific anti community people who secretly >> move against you instead of, you know, just fucking striking you from the >> server list like an actual Valve employee would do. Any one server owner is >> not important enough to even entertain the paranoia theories abound here. >> >> There is one group responsible for the state of the tf2 community, and >> its the tf2 community. >> On Aug 4, 2015 1:32 PM, "Tim Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> We are not responsible for other people's actions. Does the police jail >>> an entire neighborhood because they keep finding criminals there? If you >>> want me to be responsible for what other people do, then give me the >>> ability to ban servers from the master list. >>> >>> The way Valve dealt with bad servers, if that is actually the problem, >>> is both lazy and unfitting of a supposedly top company. >>> >>> I remember deciding between joining a battlefield or tf2 community, and >>> thinking that the tf2 community would last longer because battlefield >>> community servers were second tier servers much like tf2 servers are now. I >>> thought to myself, Valve would never do something like that. At least EA >>> didn't change such a major aspect in the middle of the game's lifetime. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> You can blame your fellow server-ops for that. >>>> The only thing you can blame valve for is kicking all our asses instead >>>> of adding a proper report and blacklist system to deal with these ********. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> You can blame your fellow server-ops for that. >>>> The only thing you can blame valve for is kicking all our asses instead >>>> of adding a proper report and blacklist system to deal with these ********. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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