I think in regards to them listening to us, that's another reason why some
organization on our part would go a long way. I can imagine the usual drama
/ arguing in here is a deterrent to anyone trying to take us seriously.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:42 PM, kletch1333 . <[email protected]>
wrote:

> If anyone decides on a place to discuss this outside the mailing list I'd
> really appreciate it. It'd be good to have a proper conversation about it
> without bothering everyone else in here. Let me know if you figure it out.
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Rowedahelicon <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I've done that before, Reddit for the most part doesn't believe that
>> anything bad is happening, so they need some pretty tough convincing.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Lyrai <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Let's make an angry post on Reddit about it. That'll show them.
>>> On Dec 17, 2015 2:25 PM, "Adam Walker" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Perhaps a petition? Get a decent number of signatories that care and
>>>> present that to Valve. But don’t be asshole-ish about it, you’re asking
>>>> them to change THEIR game.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe someone that can keep their temper out of a conversation for 10
>>>> minutes should deliver the signed petition personally and discuss this with
>>>> Valve? It would demonstrate the resolve of the community server owners to
>>>> provide a constructive medium for debate. I’m sure Valve wouldn’t object to
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> …Or just keep posting here every time there’s an update. That might
>>>> work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *kletch1333 .
>>>> *Sent:* 17 December 2015 22:16
>>>> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <
>>>> [email protected]>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "I think it's time we started to combine our efforts on this matter
>>>> instead of discussing here in the mailing thread where it turns into
>>>> bickering"
>>>>
>>>> What would you suggest?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Rowedahelicon <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> @E.Olsen I tried making a post about that earlier today but it seems it
>>>> got eaten. I had asked about the progress of the supposed help to the
>>>> community servers we were promised forever ago. I think it's time we
>>>> started to combine our efforts on this matter instead of discussing here in
>>>> the mailing thread where it turns into bickering
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:08 PM, E. Olsen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So...Bah Humbug to us, as players are once again driven further away
>>>> from community servers?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Geez, guys - you'd think after three years since the "temporary"
>>>> changes were made to quickplay, you'd be able to come up with something -
>>>> anything - to support the folks who've supported you the most.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah well. Merry Christmas. I hope we're still here next year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Eric Smith <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We're working on a mandatory update for TF2. This is the Tough Break
>>>> Update.
>>>>
>>>>         http://www.teamfortress.com/toughbreak/
>>>>
>>>> We should have it ready soon.
>>>>
>>>> -Eric
>>>>
>>>>
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