I want to go on record saying I very much agree with Matthias point about Valve's community interactions. Beyond TF2, I can give you a good argument why Valve needs to discuss with their community more, as it's not just us that are affected. Fixing quickplay is a good goal but as we've seen with everything else that has happened we can solve a lot of issues by attacking the root problem. That being said, it's still important that we stay focused.
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < [email protected]> wrote: > Yes, I have considered it, and no. Ads itself are a separate topic/issue > to be discussed, and I don't see an objective basis for this when people > with their companies are involved and are moderating this. This quickly > reminds me of how the UN is arranged and veto powers are being abused there > to absurdity (or rather politics in general). > I don't know you personally, how could I have something against you as a > person? > To be honest, judging from the posts by Patrick, I might as well return > that question. To me (and a few others) it seemed pretty obvious that he > was spreading false information in order to get the csgo motd issue fixed. > It also didn't help the cause that he quickly tried to defame people who > brought up valid concerns about advertising. Outside of this mailing list > even threats of lawsuits from his side have happened. I also have a few > guesses regarding how you get ad support for motds for various games, so > there would be another conflict of interest as well. > No, I do not want that to happen and I don't see this particular behavior > being helpful. > > > On 18.12.2015 02:50, Paul wrote: > > I've been playing Team Fortress 2 long before motdgd even existed, have > you ever considered that the reasons are actually personal/informal? I go > back as far as the days of WON and Team Fortress Classic. However it seems > to me that you have a personal grudge with me which is very unfortunate. > > On 17 December 2015 at 23:34, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < > <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: > >> One of the mods in that group belongs to motdgd. Sorry, not going to join >> that group. Conflict of interest. I do not want TF2 to suck. >> >> >> On 18.12.2015 00:20, Jan wrote: >> >> Similar group was set up before: >> <http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fixquickplay> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fixquickplay >> >> On 18.12.2015 0:13, Rowedahelicon wrote: >> >> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/TF2CommunityServers I've setup this >> group for now for us all to hop into , ignore my skype thing before I for >> whatever reason didn't think to use Steam. >> >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Robert Paulson < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Like I said before, it is way too late for an angry post on reddit. >>> >>> Many of you thought these changes would just kill off the "bad" servers >>> which "obviously" excluded your own, and applauded Valve and even asked for >>> more and more restrictions. >>> >>> Community players are the minority now. Just last week I talked to a >>> player who had no idea that community servers existed even though he was in >>> one. >>> >>> All the communities that spammed /r/tf2 to get players have irreversibly >>> died (it would take them years to rebuild now) and have no incentive to >>> help. In fact I see them insulting the communities that are still around. >>> If they failed, then others must too. >>> >>> When competitive matchmaking comes out sometimes early next year, that >>> will be the final nail in the coffin for community servers. There's not >>> much we can do other than to serve as a warning to never get involved with >>> anything Valve does beyond playing their game. Don't get involved with >>> their ecosystem as they will screw you over whenever it suits them. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > -- *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* Web Designer / Artist / Writer Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/
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