Seems like 90%+ of the discussion on these thread is just to make us feel better about our commiseration anyway.
In the interest of the holiday season, I have to say I agree with everyone on this thread about everything they said - even points of view that contradict one another. Given all the issues with Steam today (the store in particular) I am glad I did my in-Steam/in-game shopping for the gifts for my Admin's and a few regulars yesterday - instead of today. But, in any event. Happy Robonica! from Weasel and the Weasel's Lair crew. Queue Auld Lang Syne clip. On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Jethro Seabridge <jet2the...@gmail.com> wrote: > For those not in the loop, there was a major caching issue with the Steam > Store for a few hours. > > On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Rowedahelicon < > theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: > >> So I think after today, it's really safe to assume Valve is in dire need >> of any sort of management. >> https://steamdb.info/blog/valve-security-one-year-on/ relevant article, >> this is not the only time I've seen anyone bring up an issue to valve to be >> ignored. >> >> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Rowedahelicon < >> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: >> >>> It depends really, my community is still funded by ads / my own income. >>> On the other side, your analogy is pretty spot on. One thing to consider is >>> that while a lot of us here have given up on Valve, not everyone has. Other >>> gaming companies look up to Valve and their business practices. That's why >>> I feel this issue is so important, if not for us, the potential to stop >>> this trend in general. >>> >>> Trying to host multiplayer communities these days are difficult, no one >>> lets us host anything anymore. >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Saint K. <sai...@specialattack.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Ad income has replaced the value of proper community hosting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And for the rest, the best analogy I’ve seen lately is that TF2 been >>>> turned into this rubber tile playground where the millenniums grew up on. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let me just make a final statement that I am greatly disappointed in >>>> what VALVe has become. They seem to have forgotten where they came from, >>>> but that’s most likely also expectable as people come and go as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ah well, towel, ring, I’m out this discussion. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: >>>> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Paulson >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 20, 2015 3:09 AM >>>> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list < >>>> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If we are talking about transparency I think we need to talk about a >>>> few people's bizarre fixation on ads even though after being repeatedly >>>> told they were 100% blocked for quickplay players long before the official >>>> server change. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you were a normal player, you would have known that. But you are not >>>> one. You are a custom server owner which is why you don't even know this >>>> and you are pretending to be a concerned player. I doubt you even have this >>>> problem because you can figure out how to host a server, so you shouldn't >>>> be too dumb to figure out how to valve in the tag box. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No one was asking for the MOTD to be re-enabled for quickplay users, we >>>> were all asking for quickplay defaulting to official servers to be removed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So I think I know what you are trying to do. You are expecting >>>> something like this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Your competitors using ads gets killed for you. >>>> >>>> 2. That Valve only has quickplay to kill ads (proven wrong multiple >>>> times) and you think they will actually remove quickplay so your servers >>>> will get the same coverage as quickplay compatible servers. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This doesn't have a sliver of a chance of happening in your favor. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > Look at the CSGO server operators, they have it much worse then >>>> their tf2 counter parts but they are not on here spamming a mailing list >>>> about it every week. Instead they are coming up with incentives for players >>>> to use their servers. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No they don't really. They have 10 times the players and official CS:GO >>>> servers don't clog up the browser. They have matchmaking, but soon TF2 will >>>> too so it will become strictly worse than CS:GO in every regard. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And not to mention everyone knew you couldn't host matchmaking servers >>>> before the game was even released. People bought the game knowing full well >>>> that they would not be able to compete with official servers fairly and >>>> that is why the game was deader than CSS until illegal betting became a >>>> thing. The CS:GO devs did not pull a bait and switch. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I also prefer not to take any advice from someone who probably >>>> contributed this mess by extensively using fake players and then selling >>>> the plugin to ProTF2 after getting blacklisted. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If Valve doesn't care anymore then so be it. As long as someone brings >>>> this up, I will use the opportunity to warn people away from hosting or >>>> having anything to do with Valve games other than just playing them. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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