-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I forgot to add, that there are probably many of you out there already doing exactly what I have suggested.
On 9/7/07, Guy Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > } -----Original Message----- > } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- > } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper > } Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:39 AM > } To: [email protected]; HLDS > } Subject: [hlds_linux] Reducing Cheats on Servers > } > } -- > } [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > } The following is only our point of view, your mileage may vary. > } > } It is becoming increasingly apparent to us that the majority of the > cheats > } we see on our Counter-Strike:Source servers are coming from NetCafe > } Accounts. > } > } VAC for the most part seems to be working as a deterrent to the majority > } of > } normal users. I do not have access to VAC banning stats, but for all I > } know > } it maybe banning boatloads of players. > } > } The main problem here is, VAC's delayed banning system has no effect > } whatsoever on NetCafe Accounts, as it is a simple case for a NetCafe > users > } to log out of the STEAM account they are using at the NetCafe and then > log > } back in when they have been banned from a server by an admins and renter > } the > } server with a new STEAM_ID, and in any case, who cares about being VAC > } banned if you effectively have unlimited access to STEAM_ID's that > aren't > } yours any how? > } > } Here is the thing though, most Netcafes are connected to the Internet > via > } Static IP's. > } > } It is a rather trivial task to go through the logs with a program like > } HLStatsX and run a query that generates a list of STEAM_ID's on a per IP > } basis. > } > } Then you check to see which IP's have lots of STEAM_ID's attached to > them, > } and then you add those IP addresses to your banned_ip.cfg file and run > it > } at > } server start, instant mass reduction of cheats you will see on your > } server. > } > } If you want to be sure, just do a traceroute to the IP in question just > to > } be sure you are not wiping a college or university out, but most often > you > } will find that these are not going to have Netcafe accounts associated > } with > } them anyhow. > } > } But you can be almost certain that if you see more than 20 STEAM_ID's > } originating from the 1 IP address, you have found a NetCafe that is > using > } your servers. > } > } Now the problem for Valve, is if lots of Game Server Providers start IP > } banning NetCafes from their servers, it instantly devalues Valves > NetCafe > } program, since the NetCafe users will find it increasingly difficult to > } find > } servers to play on the Internet. In fact it is my understanding that if > } you > } IP ban, then your servers will no longer even come up on that IP's > server > } browser, they will either not show up at all, or they show up as not > } responding, in either case the result is the same. > } > } I do not have a simple answer to this, but whilst delayed banning > exists, > } there is no other way to stop cheats on servers who have effectively > } unlimited access to STEAM Accounts, other than to IP ban them. > } > } Thoughts? > } -- > > Wow, that explains something I see. When someone says "please ban > <user>", > the user just says "ban me lol". Or something similar. I was assuming > they > must have a keygen and did not care because they could generate a new key > quickly. I would love to see someone post a list of IPs to ban. I would > ban them at the firewall. > > I really do wish Valve would ban cheaters instantly. The aim bots are > perfect and really ****up the game for everyone else. > > I guess when I see someone cheating I should ban the user and IP address. > But as you say, the NetCafe would become useless over time. > > Guy > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
