-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] It was just an sql query I got 1 of the db guys to run on the STEAM_ID database
On 9/7/07, Stephan Strecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > @whisper > > Is it possible, that u share your tool for cheching the hlstats-database? > > Thx > steve > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Whisper > Gesendet: Freitag, 7. September 2007 14:56 > An: [email protected] > Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] Reducing Cheats on Servers > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > What I personally would like to know is if others are seeing the same > pattern we are? > > I don't know how many of you are setup to do the analysis I asked about, > and > if you do not have the systems in place, then it suddenly becomes a > non-trivial task to work out. > > On 9/7/07, Dan Offord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > What is really needed then is a project liked SteamBans but, only bans > the > > IP's of cheaters shared between hosts. > > If they do indeed have multiple ip's then a mass ban via servers would > > make > > cafe owners think twice about it all. > > > > > > On 07/09/2007, Crazy Canucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Personally I think you should ip ban. It's up to the NetCafe > operators > > > to make sure cheats aren't being installed and used on their machines. > > > Maybe if they find their clients unable to access servers they will > get > > > the hint and start using proper security and policing on their > > machines... > > > > > > Drek > > > > > > Guy Watkins wrote: > > > > } -----Original Message----- > > > > } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- > > > > } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper > > > > } Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:39 AM > > > > } To: [email protected]; HLDS > > > > } Subject: [hlds_linux] Reducing Cheats on Servers > > > > } > > > > } -- > > > > } [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > > } The following is only our point of view, your mileage may vary. > > > > } > > > > } It is becoming increasingly apparent to us that the majority of > the > > > cheats > > > > } we see on our Counter-Strike:Source servers are coming from > NetCafe > > > > } Accounts. > > > > } > > > > } VAC for the most part seems to be working as a deterrent to the > > > majority > > > > } of > > > > } normal users. I do not have access to VAC banning stats, but for > all > > I > > > > } know > > > > } it maybe banning boatloads of players. > > > > } > > > > } The main problem here is, VAC's delayed banning system has no > effect > > > > } whatsoever on NetCafe Accounts, as it is a simple case for a > NetCafe > > > users > > > > } to log out of the STEAM account they are using at the NetCafe and > > then > > > log > > > > } back in when they have been banned from a server by an admins and > > > renter > > > > } the > > > > } server with a new STEAM_ID, and in any case, who cares about being > > VAC > > > > } banned if you effectively have unlimited access to STEAM_ID's that > > > aren't > > > > } yours any how? > > > > } > > > > } Here is the thing though, most Netcafes are connected to the > > Internet > > > via > > > > } Static IP's. > > > > } > > > > } It is a rather trivial task to go through the logs with a program > > like > > > > } HLStatsX and run a query that generates a list of STEAM_ID's on a > > per > > > IP > > > > } basis. > > > > } > > > > } Then you check to see which IP's have lots of STEAM_ID's attached > to > > > them, > > > > } and then you add those IP addresses to your banned_ip.cfg file and > > run > > > it > > > > } at > > > > } server start, instant mass reduction of cheats you will see on > your > > > > } server. > > > > } > > > > } If you want to be sure, just do a traceroute to the IP in question > > > just to > > > > } be sure you are not wiping a college or university out, but most > > often > > > you > > > > } will find that these are not going to have Netcafe accounts > > associated > > > > } with > > > > } them anyhow. > > > > } > > > > } But you can be almost certain that if you see more than 20 > > STEAM_ID's > > > > } originating from the 1 IP address, you have found a NetCafe that > is > > > using > > > > } your servers. > > > > } > > > > } Now the problem for Valve, is if lots of Game Server Providers > start > > > IP > > > > } banning NetCafes from their servers, it instantly devalues Valves > > > NetCafe > > > > } program, since the NetCafe users will find it increasingly > difficult > > > to > > > > } find > > > > } servers to play on the Internet. In fact it is my understanding > that > > > if > > > > } you > > > > } IP ban, then your servers will no longer even come up on that IP's > > > server > > > > } browser, they will either not show up at all, or they show up as > not > > > > } responding, in either case the result is the same. > > > > } > > > > } I do not have a simple answer to this, but whilst delayed banning > > > exists, > > > > } there is no other way to stop cheats on servers who have > effectively > > > > } unlimited access to STEAM Accounts, other than to IP ban them. > > > > } > > > > } Thoughts? > > > > } -- > > > > > > > > Wow, that explains something I see. When someone says "please ban > > > <user>", > > > > the user just says "ban me lol". Or something similar. I was > > assuming > > > they > > > > must have a keygen and did not care because they could generate a > new > > > key > > > > quickly. I would love to see someone post a list of IPs to ban. I > > > would > > > > ban them at the firewall. > > > > > > > > I really do wish Valve would ban cheaters instantly. The aim bots > are > > > > perfect and really ****up the game for everyone else. > > > > > > > > I guess when I see someone cheating I should ban the user and IP > > > address. > > > > But as you say, the NetCafe would become useless over time. > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > .: =CATS= Gaming :. > > .: http://www.catsgaming.com :. > > .: This email contains information that maybe confidential if your not > the > > intended recipient, please delete this email :. > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
