-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Somethings to say here, recently there have been 2 VAC module updates, since then practically every notable public cheat out has been detected under VAC. Material hacks ofcourse are still not banned, however sv_pure takes care of those quite nicely.
Additionally, it appears as though the delay on VAC bans has either been reduced or been reducing. Which is an interesting development :) I've personally not noticed much of any influence coming from Net cafe's, but as stated above, Net Cafe's should secure them from these things. When I have friends coming over it's still my resposibility that they don't cheat on my account. Somethin On 9/7/07, Nic Strix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > ban the netcafe cheater accounts via IP - it is in the interest of the > netcafe owner to secure their computers so that cheats cannot be installed > > nic > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Reducing Cheats on > Servers> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 00:59:03 -0400> > } -----Original > Message-----> } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > hlds_linux-> } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper> } Sent: > Friday, September 07, 2007 12:39 AM> } To: > [email protected]; HLDS> } Subject: [hlds_linux] Reducing > Cheats on Servers> }> } --> } [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative > ]> } The following is only our point of view, your mileage may vary.> }> } > It is becoming increasingly apparent to us that the majority of the cheats> > } we see on our Counter-Strike:Source servers are coming from NetCafe> } > Accounts.> }> } VAC for the most part seems to be working as a deterrent to > the majority> } of> } normal users. I do not have access to VAC banning > stats, but for all I> } know> } it maybe banning boatloads of players.> }> } > The main problem here is, VAC's delayed banning system has no effect> } > whatsoever on NetCafe Accounts, as it is a simple case for a NetCafe users> > } to log out of the STEAM account they are using at the NetCafe and then > log> } back in when they have been banned from a server by an admins and > renter> } the> } server with a new STEAM_ID, and in any case, who cares > about being VAC> } banned if you effectively have unlimited access to > STEAM_ID's that aren't> } yours any how?> }> } Here is the thing though, > most Netcafes are connected to the Internet via> } Static IP's.> }> } It is > a rather trivial task to go through the logs with a program like> } HLStatsX > and run a query that generates a list of STEAM_ID's on a per IP> } basis.> > }> } Then you check to see which IP's have lots of STEAM_ID's attached to > them,> } and then you add those IP addresses to your banned_ip.cfg file and > run it> } at> } server start, instant mass reduction of cheats you will see > on your> } server.> }> } If you want to be sure, just do a traceroute to the > IP in question just to> } be sure you are not wiping a college or university > out, but most often you> } will find that these are not going to have > Netcafe accounts associated> } with> } them anyhow.> }> } But you can be > almost certain that if you see more than 20 STEAM_ID's> } originating from > the 1 IP address, you have found a NetCafe that is using> } your servers.> > }> } Now the problem for Valve, is if lots of Game Server Providers start > IP> } banning NetCafes from their servers, it instantly devalues Valves > NetCafe> } program, since the NetCafe users will find it increasingly > difficult to> } find> } servers to play on the Internet. In fact it is my > understanding that if> } you> } IP ban, then your servers will no longer > even come up on that IP's server> } browser, they will either not show up at > all, or they show up as not> } responding, in either case the result is the > same.> }> } I do not have a simple answer to this, but whilst delayed > banning exists,> } there is no other way to stop cheats on servers who have > effectively> } unlimited access to STEAM Accounts, other than to IP ban > them.> }> } Thoughts?> } --> > Wow, that explains something I see. When > someone says "please ban <user>",> the user just says "ban me lol". Or > something similar. I was assuming they> must have a keygen and did not care > because they could generate a new key> quickly. I would love to see someone > post a list of IPs to ban. I would> ban them at the firewall.> > I really do > wish Valve would ban cheaters instantly. The aim bots are> perfect and > really ****up the game for everyone else.> > I guess when I see someone > cheating I should ban the user and IP address.> But as you say, the NetCafe > would become useless over time.> > Guy> > > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out some new online services at Windows Live Ideas—so new they > haven't even been officially released yet. > http://ideas.live.com > -- > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- ___________________________ Wim 'TheUnknownFactor' Barelds [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
